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FMF [First Mortgage Fund]

ASSET REVIEW?

Ah! the typical way that B/T communicates with unit holders - via the press release - the management of the manager seems to struggle with the idea that it should communicate with us in the first person. I'd guess unit holders have come to expect no better than this from B/T. Maybe B/T should go back to university (if they have degrees) and redo 'Communication Skills'.

So, they've had this asset review for some time - where is it? Seems good enough to give a spiel to the media, but not good enough to give a report to unit holders.

I do not like this manager, B/T.

Here is the media release (remember, this is how B/T are disclosing information to unit holders, no 'This is your Captain speaking.. ", just a media release) {I have inserted comments within the media release}

"... Asset review reveals need for Pacific First Mortgage Fund write-down

Following a review of the assets of the Pacific First Mortgage Fund (Fund) in conjunction with auditors (KPMG), the gross assets have been written down by $448.9 million for the 12 months to June 30, 2009. Gross assets in the Fund now stand at $521.1 million. This write down represents an additional impairment of $108.9 million from the written down value as at 31 December 2008 which was $630.0 million.

Comment:- yet this doesn't seem to have included second mortgages down at Martha Cove - mortgages that the auditors (KPMG) express a mere 'material uncertainly' about - is B/T acting in our best interests? Are the auditors acting in our best interests - should have KPMG criticized KPMG for not impairing those loans? I think it should have.

We should not have been saddled with KPMG again - the fund should have had a new auditor, and the legal review should have included KPMGs past interactions with the fund. It's puzzling that the 'Compliance Report' criticizes City back in 2007 - 2008, however no complaints seem to have be registered for that period, at least that we've seen.

KPMG should be gone, and they should be 'legally reviewed'.


Rodger Bacon and Andrew Griffin, joint chief executives of the Fund's investment manager BalmainTRILOGY, agreed that the additional write-down was "inevitable but extremely disappointing" for unitholders. Based on these revised accounts, the net tangible assets (NTA) stand at $0.48 a unit.

Comment:- huh? I would have thought it was obvious and a tad overrated. I'm still getting over how B/T managed to come up with $0.48 - when do we get the new surprise that will be more of 'inevitable but extremely disappointing'?

The NTA takes into account the $91 million owed to the Commonwealth Bank of Australia as at 30 June 2009. Since then and following some asset sales the Fund has been able to repay further $8.7 million on 31 August 2009 to reduce the outstanding loan to $82.3 million.

Comment:- Well, we'd better hope that the NTA takes into account the $60m owing to Fortress. If it doesn't, then the fund is worth at least $60m less.

Andrew Griffin said: "The negotiations with the Commonwealth Bank are nearing conclusion and an announcement in respect of an extended facility should be made soon."

Comment:- yes, kowtowing back to the same tired old entity that was happy to loan the fund $90m at a time when the fund was incapable of repaying the $150m it already owed - the relationship between City Pacific Limited and the CBA has been a disastrous one for members of the FMF. This manager should have sought a new source of finance, and it should have included the CBA's interactions with the fund in its 'legal review'.

The Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) had previously extended the deadline to lodge the Fund's annual accounts to November 15. On lodging the annual accounts, Rodger Bacon said: "The write-down highlights the woeful performance of City Pacific which was RE of the Fund for that entire period. More disappointingly the biggest part of this write-down is attributable to loans to related parties of City Pacific.".

Well, I've been looking at Mirvac's Funds (that's Balmain's partner is Mirvac Aqua), and they haven't performed very well at all either - Mirvac had to do a takeover deal to get the fund's price up from $0.50 to $0.60 - these shares were trading at a $1.50 - so, not startling either).

The Mirvac Aqua funds (in which Balmain is a partner) still remain frozen without any communication from their manager since 1 October 2009, and investors have been waiting for months for the manager to disclose a 'strategy' to resolve the difficulties - a strategy promised for months and months but which has not been forthcoming.

By the way, how is Trilogy's own stellar fund performing? - the fund is conservatively run and there are no losses - Their Mortgage Income Trust seems to have converted mortgage loans to cash at the end of the year - its balance has dropped. I wonder if the cash went back to investors or was re-invested. While the fund is well run, Trilogy hasn't shown that they're able to grow the trust, in fact, quite the opposite.
http://www.trilogyfunds.com.au/site/assets/files/TFMIT%20Annual%20Report%202009%20V6%20_%20Website.pdf

Trilogy is not charging unit holders in their Mortgage Income Trust much of a management fee, but it is charging a heap of fees to borrowers from their trust - oh! by the way, I'll ask the question again "is B/T charging 'direct fees' to borrowers in the PFMF?'

No good signs from Balmain or Trilogy either.

Andrew Griffin said: "The strong property and debt markets that preceded the Global Financial Crisis did much to hide the damage that was already being inflicted on the Fund by City Pacific. The honeymoon ended abruptly when the markets turned and it is only now that we can see the extent of the harm that City Pacific caused. We do, however, believe that with the removal of the previous conflicts and with the benefit of significantly greater management resources that the worst for unitholders is over. The rebuilding of the Fund can begin in earnest."

Comment:- Is the worst over? How about the Martha Cove loans? and why KPMG's comment re:material uncertainly?

'the honeymoon ended abruptly'? what do they mean?

'The rebuilding of the fund can begin in earnest?' - huh? So, where is the unit holder's vote promised by Mr. Griffin?


He added: "Although we are mindful that some investors might support an acceleration of sales, notwithstanding the significant discounts that would result, it is critical that some of the Fund's resources are allocated to improving existing assets. This will ensure that these assets achieve an improved return for the PFMF and consequently the value of the Fund is at least maintained and potentially enhanced."

Comment:- how about this? Unbelievable from the man who gave the great speech in the BRW (20 August 2009) about giving members of the fund the opportunity to decide what the future of the fund will be. Yes, there are those who want the fund wound down, and that would be brought to a meeting of members to make a choice. Ah! the drip from the cash cow is in the manager's arm - things change - things are different.

As part of its commitment to ensure that unitholders are closely informed as to the management of Fund, BalmainTRILOGY are in the process of bedding down the Investor Committee. More than 300 unitholders have expressed interest in being on the 10 person Committee (including an independent chairman), with the auditors expected to announce the successful candidates by early December so the first meeting can be held before Christmas.

Comment:- So, this committee will be 'announced by KPMG', the very entity that presided over the period of the decimation of our savings. What the hell goes on in B/T's minds. They need an Investor committee to closely inform us? They have their website - not much there. there is the media, yes, drip feeds there - what could possibly change with an investor committee selected by KPMG?

The Investor Committee in the PIF (MFS) fund has been a disaster, don't expect anything more from a manager who doesn't tell us much anyway.


BalmainTRILOGY was also in the process of formulating a hardship policy in accordance with ASIC guidelines. Bacon said: "We appreciate there are some genuine hardship cases among unitholders. The difficulty has been reaching agreement regarding access to funds and finding a legal solution to the constitution problems that require a redemption price of $1.00 per unit to deliver the funds to unitholders.

Comment:- They could pay you at $1.00 - they're just stalling - they don't have the money anyway - after they take their cut, all the expenses are paid, the CBA and Fortress take their cuts, there is nothing left - live in hope, wallow in mire.

If they pay everyone at the same rate $1.00 - then it's fair.

In fact, if they pay at a V.U.P. and the price changes (up or down), which it will, then that's unfair.


"We are hopeful of having a solution in the near future for those unitholders with genuine hardship situations." ..."
 
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Received a "Thank you for your correspondence" from ASIC in today's post.

Pretty much one sentence.

"The issue you have raised will receive dareful consideration and ASIC will contact you again in due course"

There is a contact name and number which I will follow up on.

I suggest the more that make an eCompliant to more pressure is place in ASIC to look deeper aand take action.

A couple of posts down mellifuoushas provided the link to make a eComplaint to ASIC. It is easy and painless just need to spend a small amount of time. If enough people do it then the populus will be heard.

I would also recommend contacting Minister Chris Bowen Minister for Human Services, Minister for Financial Services, Superannuation and Corporate Law http://www.chrisbowen.net/contact-chris-bowen/home.do

I have written to the Minister to put maximum pressure on ASIC to take some action. For those interested mellifuoushas has posted this content of the letter with my permission the homepage on his website http://moneymagik.com/

CP and it's directors need to be held to account.....make the effort.

Regards,

Fleetz
 
"The issue you have raised will receive dareful consideration and ASIC will contact you again in due course"

Fleetz, are you sure you got the letter from ASIC?

It just doesn't strike me that ASIC would be 'full of daring or of defiance, or adventurous'!

We should be happy they didn't send the letter in ASCII code. :banghead:

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http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/Da/Dareful.html

"... DAREFUL

Adjective

1. Full of daring or of defiance; adventurous.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)


Date "DAREFUL" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1606. (references)

Etymology: Dareful \Dare"ful\, adjective. Full of daring or of defiance; adventurous.. (Websters 1913) ..."
 
Fleetz, are you sure you got the letter from ASIC?

It just doesn't strike me that ASIC would be 'full of daring or of defiance, or adventurous'!

We should be happy they didn't send the letter in ASCII code. :banghead:

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http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/Da/Dareful.html

"... DAREFUL

Adjective

1. Full of daring or of defiance; adventurous.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)


Date "DAREFUL" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1606. (references)

Etymology: Dareful \Dare"ful\, adjective. Full of daring or of defiance; adventurous.. (Websters 1913) ..."

Opppppps............careful.:banghead:

Was only one button and to the right a bit away. Very familiar with ASCII strings and it's implimentation!

Yes I have and A4 bit of paper from ASIC....they have truly gone to a lot of effort!

Regards,

Fleetz
 
Opppppps............careful.:banghead:

Was only one button and to the right a bit away. Very familiar with ASCII strings and it's implimentation!

Yes I have and A4 bit of paper from ASIC....they have truly gone to a lot of effort!

Regards,

Fleetz

lol - I couldn't believe such a word would come from ASIC's 'lips'.

I received a copy of the annual report today - together with a letter written in the first person - well, that's nice.

All the same cr&p, but in the first person.
 
NOW YOU'LL LEARN WHAT REFUSING AN OFFER IS ALL ABOUT

This is a posting made by a member on the Pot forum, in response to a letter to B/T.

I think that the following is simply untrue - very sad.

Just posted on the Pot forum:-

"... xxxxx,

In order to make capital payments to investors we have no other option but to provide payments at the reduced market price.

You do not have to participate in the redemption process and each unit holder will be given this option when we have established some liquidity.

Regards,

BalmainTRILOGY ..."

Well, what can I say - they speak like the fund is open for business and that we can just go up and exchange our units for money - that is simply not the case. It is not the case that one can put in a redemption request and have it satisfied, the Corporation Law is clear, the offer must be made to all members.

The fund is non-liquid - it is not a liquid fund.

The ONLY single way of equality and fairness is to pay each of us a pro-rata payment based on $1.00.

I hardly think anyone would refuse a $1.00 offer, but if they were stupid enough to do so, then B/T could also write a disclaimer to warn them they would lose if they don't take the offer.

If a V.U.P. offer made and one accepts the offer, then if the V.U.P. increases at a later date, then one would lose - in fact, B/T would write a disclaimer to that effect in the offer - it's the usual way - is that fair? no, it is not.

If a V.U.P. offer is made and one rejects the offer, then if the V.U.P. goes down, then one will lose - is that fair? no, it is not.

B/T does not want to see the fund wound down, and so is not giving us our money back as it rightly should.
 
This is what BT said in their Explanatory Memorandum in May, 2009

http://www.balmaintrilogy.com.au/pdf/BTI_NOM_ExpMemo.pdf
'..........Asset Review) BalmainTrilogy will commence an independently reviewed detailed assessment of the quality and value of all of the assets of the Fund, being the underlying mortgages, and report to Members when complete;........"

This is what BT promised us ...

http://www.balmaintrilogy.com.au/proposal.aspx

Asset Assessment

Immediately upon appointment BalmainTRILOGY will commence a detailed assessment of the quality and value of all of the assets of the Fund, being the underlying mortgages. When complete this Asset Assessment will be reviewed by an independent expert. The reviewed Asset Assessment will form the basis of a COMPREHENSIVE DISCLOSURE TO INVESTORS. Investors will be advised of the results of the Asset Review not later than 6 months from the date of appointment.

From their mailout which I received dated the 26th November, 2009

"...the asset review has also been completed and a SUMMARY of our findings will be finalised this month and mailed to unitholders..."

WHAT HAPPENED TO "COMPREHENSIVE DISCLOSURE"?

So as it stands now we are still no wiser as to more possible impairments regarding, in particular, the second mortgages at Martha Cove. What happened at Broadbeach? was this a "firesale"? To make an informed assessment of our situation we must have the COMPREHENSIVE DISCLOSURE, not just the SUMMARY..
 
This posting refers to the fund's 2009 financial report.
http://www.balmaintrilogy.com.au/pdf/PFMF%20Annual%20Report%202009.pdf

LIVING HIGH ON THE HOG?

From the fund's 2009 accounts (page 21):-

Note 6:-

Professional fees $1,645,468
Seminars & Conferences $2,204

It's nice that someone's been able to flirt away at the fund's expense...

seminars & conferences $2,204?

and, all those 'Professional fees' - no explanation at all!!

FORTRESS CREDIT

On Page 12 of the 2009 Accounts:-

Mortgage Loans $507.660m (see note 10)

Note 10 (Page 24):-

'Co-Lending Arrangements'

The Fund had an agreement with an institutional investor which was previously referred to by the former responsible entity as a co-lending agreement. The agreement provided that the institutional investor lent approximately $100m to borrowers on existing first mortgages held by the fund and a new first mortgage. The institutional investor became a joint first mortgage lender with the fund however a priority agreement has the effect of pushing the fund into a second-ranking mortgage position. Consequently the institutional investor has first priority and its security ranks ahead of the fund.

As at 30 June 2009, the institutional investor had co-lent $60.7m with the fund on three separate loans.

However, on Page 12, the accounts disclose that 'Interest Bearing Loans' = $91.035m

From Note 12 on Page 24 of the accounts, that $91.035 is attributable to the CBA.

So, where does Fortress come in? Is there $60.7m going begging here?

Remember, it was Fortress which forced the sale of 'Pacific Beach' for a loss to the fund between $95m - $135m (all unconfirmed by the present manager) - The property returned $80m of which over $30m went to Fortress - this is a sale that post-dates the accounts - about $40m will be returned to fund, which of course will go to the good old CBA.

Now, where is the next $30m, or is it more? Is there another dent coming from Fortress? Don't forget if there is a default, and there is likely to be, there will be default interest and charges made by Fortress which will also impact on the fund, after all, the fund has indemnified Fortress.

By the way, why wasn't a significant event like the sale of 'Pacific Beach' mentioned in 'Subsequent Events' on page 17 of the report? There is no doubt that the losses incurred in that sale are more than noteworthy to unit holders - In fact, I think unit holders are entitled to know.

Why don't you ask B/T why not? Ask them what is the impact of loans from Fortress (the so-called 'co-investor')?

ALL JOINTLY SIGNED BY Mr. Philip Ryan
- the man who breached his client's trust - aren't we so, so lucky?

SECOND MORTGAGE LOANS AT MARTHA COVE

"... Material uncertainty regarding the carrying value of assets secured by property located at Martha Cove, Victoria.

Without qualification of the above opinion, we draw attention to note 15(b)to the financial report. The recoverability of the fund's mortgage loans and interest receivable which is secured by registered first and second mortgages over property located at Martha Cove, Victoria is dependant upon the realization of security property occurring at values in line with those used by the new responsible entity in assessing the recoverable amount of mortgage loans and interest receivable at 30 June 2009.

As set out in Note 15(b) a number of other properties located at Martha Cove are security properties for loans of other parties funded by various financiers, and many of the other parties are in external administration or receivership. There is significant uncertainty as to the course of action that may be taken in relation to the realization of the security property at Martha Cove and the impact that these courses of action could have on the value of the property securing the first and second mortgage loans and interest receivable of the fund.

In the event that other security property is realized on a forced sale basis, the value of the fund's mortgage loans and interest receivable could be significantly reduced resulting in further impairment losses that may be material to the fund ..."

Note 15(b) is located on Page 36.

second mortgage loans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_mortgage

'Pacific Beach' at Broadbeach: http://moneymagik.com/broadbeach.php

The auditor fails to mention that it is not only a 'forced sale' that will cause the fund to lose its second mortgages. Our losses will probably occur by way of prudent (self-interested, and correctly so) choices by the first mortgage holders

It is clear that the auditor is warning us that B/T has not written down the fund adequately - think about it, we have second mortgage loans down at Martha Cove and entities like City Pacific and CBA (and maybe others like Fortress) have/had first mortgages on which the fund's second mortgages rely.

The value of property at Martha Cove is in the doldrums at this time - so, what can we expect? Well, the first mortgage holder is not going to wait forever - yes, it has duties to the borrower to ensure it gets the best price it case under certain conditions, but that doesn't include waiting for the value of the property to reach a maximum price in an unlimited time span.

The first mortgage holders are going to wait for the optimum time before choosing to sell the properties, and those choices will NOT include waiting for the price to go so high as to allow the fund to recover its second mortgages.

I think B/T should have further impaired these loans in order that such a statement from the auditor would be entirely unnecessary. In fact, it's a crying shame that the auditor had to make such a statement - It certainly makes me nervous because I think that second mortgages at Martha Cove will be 100% unrecoverable.

If you think as I do, then let B/T know that you have grave concerns about Martha Cove
 
A GAME OF SEMANTICS?

Posting on Pot's forum:-

"... xxxxx,

In order to make capital payments to investors we have no other option but to provide payments at the reduced market price.

You do not have to participate in the redemption process and each unitholder will be given this option when we have established some liquidity.

Regards,

BalmainTRILOGY ..."

Yesterday, a posting on FMF Coffee Club re: an email querying the posting on the Pot forum:-
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/FMF_coffee_club/message/78

"... Dear Mr Griffin and Mr Bacon,

I have seen the quote below from BalmainTRILOGY, on the FMF Coffee Club:

"In order to make capital payments to investors we have no other option but to provide payments at the reduced market price. You do not have to participate in the redemption process and each unitholder will be given this option when we have established some liquidity. Regards, BalmainTRILOGY ..."

The first sentence is just not correct. BT does have the option to provide payments at $1.00 per unit as per the Constitution of the Fund. Also, there is no such thing as a market price for Units in the Fund; there is an estimated net assets per unit based on uncertain impairment values as admitted in the recent annual report on the Fund and stated by the Auditors.

Would you please explain/justify this position that you take that "we have no other option" if it is indeed a statement from BalmainTRILOGY.

yours sincerely, xxxxxxxxx ..."

This morning, another posting on the FMF Coffee Club:-
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/FMF_coffee_club/message/81

"... I asked BT about the posting attributed to BT "on Pot's forum". Mr Bacon replied:

"I confirm that neither Andrew Griffin nor myself have made this comment."

xxxxxxx"

Is it a game of semantics?

They say they didn't make the statement, but they didn't answer the question as to whether the statement was made on their behalf, that is, on behalf of B/T.

Are they taking us seriously?

MY GUESS AT THE PRICE OF A UNIT
$0.374c

1. $36m lent to Martha Cove in March 2009 - in my opinion, 100% at risk.

2. $60.7m due to Fortress (at 'Pacific Beach', and probably Martha Cove and/or Grande Pacific)
- I'd guess this is 100% at risk too. Keep in mind what Fortress did at 'Pacific Beach', massive losses to the fund there.

3. Total Number of unit holders 880.283m (page 14 of the fund's 2009 report)

4. Total Assets attributable to unit holders $426.243m (page 12 of the fund's 2009 report)

So, ($426.243m - $36m - $60.7m)/880.283 = $0.374c


Any comments?
 
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This option will please those who want the fund wound down - it will please those who need money and don't want to make a loss - and it will please those who have patient capital but would prefer to see their money come back without loss.

Compare this to a V.U.P. unit where the fund would be sustained and which not please those who want the fund wound down - it will not please those who need money and don't want to make a loss - and it will not please those who have patient capital but would prefer to see their money come back without loss.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT the fund is worth less than half its original value, so as money is taken, the NTA will drop until such time as there is nothing left to pay - UNIT HOLDERS CANNOT GET ANY MORE THAN THE NTA, BUT THEY WILL NOT SUFFER LOSS UNTIL AFTER ALL THE ASSETS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO MAXIMIZE THEIR VALUES.

So, the manager has a chance to show its skill, and we can have as much of our money back as the manager is able to give us by maximising the value of assets - what could be a better outcome than that?

It really should please everybody - maybe it won't please those who want to wait for 50 years in hope that the NTA reach $1.00, but the sad reality is that it cannot, because as any payment is made, the remaining NTA will drop every time (whether is made at $1.00 or at a V.U.P.) because with the same number of units and a lower value of NTA, then unit price will go down.

NOTES

The payments are made from surplus moneys (not from fire sales)

Unit holders actually get the money to use as they please to improve their lives.

The money is taken at a unit price of $1.00 which is the optimum value, a value which the fund will never achieve - there is NO LOSS on the money taken - and there will be no tax.

If a member wants to attain liquidity, then the option is to sell his/her units privately, but the price will not even reach the NTA backing per unit.

The NTA will reduce in the fund over time - that is, the fund will be necessarily wound down - an issue that I think will not please the manager.

Note: the graph could also be constructed at 10% of original investments, $880m, but I guess a payment of 5% wuld be more appropriate. However, a payment of 1%, 2%, or whatever, is able to be made.

Don't fix your minds on any particular figure - make sure you press the manager to get your money back - you can get 5.6% with BankWest on as little as $1.00 overnight without any risk at all.

There is no need to go back into a managed fund where your money could be frozen, income frozen, and savings diminished or decimated.

Please think about it!

Also, a correction a posting made yesterday:-

MY GUESS AT THE PRICE OF A UNIT
$0.4147c (*** AMENDED, 4 December 2009)

1. $36m lent to Martha Cove in March 2009 - in my opinion, 100% at risk.

2. $60.7m due to Fortress (probably from Martha Cove and/or Grande Pacific)
- I'd guess this is 100% at risk too. Keep in mind what Fortress did at 'Pacific Beach', massive losses to the fund there.

3. Total Number of unit holders 880.283m (page 14 of the fund's 2009 report)

4. Total Assets attributable to unit holders $426.243m (page 12 of the fund's 2009 report)

*** 5. Total Assets $517m

*** So, ($517m - $36m - $61m)/880 = $0.4147c
 
mellifuous, you seem to post in here every day - but I am quite unsure as to what your objective is. In fact, I'm not even sure as to what FMF is.

Am I to understand that you have a lot of money tied up in this lot?
 
mellifuous, you seem to post in here every day - but I am quite unsure as to what your objective is. In fact, I'm not even sure as to what FMF is.

Am I to understand that you have a lot of money tied up in this lot?

FMF is the First Mortgage Fund - once managed by a City Pacific Limited (now in liquidation), and now by Balmain/Trilogy, a JV by Balmain and Trilogy.

Yes, and so have another 10,000 unit holders .. collectively we all invested $880m - now worth $426m.

I want my money back - that's what I'm working for.

I guess a lot of investors don't really understand where they are.

How can I best put it ? I'm trying to keep the dream alive.

I'm not concerned that you don't know what my objective is.


Thanks for asking.
 
Dear Mellifuous,

I'm enjoing a laugh over your last posting, where you say:-
"I'm trying to keep the dream alive"

Your information to unitholders is terrific....but I do not think your posts achieve that objective!

Best regards,
lightlystrung
 
Dear Mellifuous,

I'm enjoing a laugh over your last posting, where you say:-
"I'm trying to keep the dream alive"

Your information to unitholders is terrific....but I do not think your posts achieve that objective!

Best regards,
lightlystrung

lol - you're right, talking to the dead has never been successful, but I'm a stickler for punishment.

I could just imagine what might have happened if even just a few unit holders didn't realise what a trap they would have found themselves in if they were saddled with a V.U.P.

Without information we are all lost - but, since there is no one else giving information, then I try my best to fill the void.

It might be said that generally managers thrive on two things (1) the ignorance of investors, and (2) a frozen fund.

so, tell me how to achieve the objective?

do you think B/T has the answers?
 
Just a small aside...as these amounts seem ridiculous in the whole scheme of things. Wright, Patton and Shakespeare have commenced legal proceedings in the Supreme Court of QLD seeking recovery of their $3,275,356 investment in the PFMF.

With a foot in both camps I don't really care what happens, except that I hope not too much of my $$$ in BT is squandered in defence. WPS is not using unitholders money either directly nor indirectly.
 
Just a small aside...as these amounts seem ridiculous in the whole scheme of things. Wright, Patton and Shakespeare have commenced legal proceedings in the Supreme Court of QLD seeking recovery of their $3,275,356 investment in the PFMF.

With a foot in both camps I don't really care what happens, except that I hope not too much of my $$$ in BT is squandered in defence. WPS is not using unitholders money either directly nor indirectly.

Well, that's an interesting development Mary - Gore (WPS) seems to be pathfinder here for us - I would imagine that any claim he's making may be just as applicable to us - that is, we could make a similar claim (I guess), unless he's pleading different facts and causes of action.

As an investor in the PFMF, he can't get any of the fund's money to press his case, however, the manager will defend with our money.

Do you have a copy of the claim/defence?

Thanks.
 
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