Knobby22
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Convincing argument (not).
You can say the same about Vegemite or Evian mineral water.
OK whiskers, what would be a realistic goal for the anti-fluoridites?
SCIENTISTS SOUND WARNING ON HIGH NATURAL FLUORIDE LEVELS
From the Los Angeles Times By Marla Cone Times Staff Writer
March 23, 2006
A national panel of scientists reported Wednesday that high levels of naturally occurring fluoride in drinking water are leaving children in some communities at risk of tooth enamel damage and adults prone to weakened bones that could lead to fractures.
At the request of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, a panel of the National Academy of Sciences examined the EPA's standard, which allows 4 parts per million of fluoride in drinking water supplies.
The panel of the National Research Council reviewed all the scientific evidence about exposure to and effects of fluoride, particularly over the last 12 years. It determined that lowering the EPA's 4-ppm limit would "prevent children from developing severe enamel fluorosis and will reduce the lifetime accumulation of fluoride into bone," which "is likely to put individuals at increased risk of bone fracture."
The panel found insufficient evidence that fluoride increased the rate of bone cancer, a threat debated for decades. They said the evidence was "tentative at best," with some studies showing a link and others not.
Instead, their concerns focused mostly on the tooth enamel of children and the potential for bone weakening in adults.
About 10% of children in communities with drinking water at or near the EPA's fluoride limit develop severe tooth enamel fluorosis, a condition involving extreme staining of developing teeth, the scientists reported. Though the threat is mostly cosmetic, the majority of the scientists on the panel deemed the condition "an adverse health effect" because loss and pitting of enamel can compromise the ability to protect teeth from decay and infection.
In Lowell, Ind., which has drinking water with about 4 ppm of fluoride, 7% of the children had at least one tooth with the worst possible score for the amount of staining from fluorosis, the report says. Similar results were found in Bushnell, Ill., and Lordsburg, N.M., at fluoride levels of 3.5 to 3.8 ppm.
Also, nine members of the 12-person committee decided that 4 ppm of fluoride was likely to increase bone fractures in the population. They said the evidence was inconclusive about the effects of 2 ppm.
http://www.oregondental.org/i4a/pages/headlinedetails.cfm?id=50&archive=1
By the way, who do you think has the most to gain from confusion over tap water? It wouldn't be the beverage companies would it?
Just looking at a certain 'bottled water' bottle the other day, I noticed that it contained magnesium...... mmmm tasty!
I'm assuming you have hard data to back that up Chops?We just need to face up to the problem that living causes death. :alcohol:
We just need to face up to the problem that living causes death. :alcohol:
We just need to face up to the problem that living causes death. :alcohol:
Hahahahah!
Well, 100% of births result in death, or, put another way... 100% of deaths begin with birth:
Almost like how 100% of divorces begin in marriage hahahaha
Yes an 50% of the population have below average intelligence.....
I think it's just called Tavern Philosophy 101.I'm assuming you have hard data to back that up Chops?
Dental researchers have proven that the teeth are subject to the same metabolic processes that affect other organs of the body. The entire body is one.
By adapting a technique originally developed to study movement of fluid within organs like the liver and kidneys, two researchers from Loma Linda School of Dentristry have found that subtle changes in the internal activity of teeth, caused by sugar, can be an early sign of later decay ...
Resistance to tooth decay involves the health of the entire body. Complex physiological processes are involved in maintaining and protecting the health of teeth. The two researchers found that:
- A high-sugar diet can slow the rate of transport of hormonal chemicals by as much as two-thirds even in one week.
- Teeth with sluggish internal activity have a high incidence of decay.
- A hormone released by the hypothamlamus stimulates the release by the salivary or parotid gland of a second hormone. This second hormone increases the rate of fluid flow in the teeth.
- A high sugar diet upsets the hormonal balance and reduces the flow in the internal system. This weakens the tooth and makes it more susceptible to decay.
- Healthy teeth are normally invulnerable to the microbes that are always present in the mouth.
Who wants to get rid of friendly germs in the mouth except those crazy people selling mouthwash?
William Duffy
Sugar Blues
that book incidentally said the most important measure of a healthy lifestyle / diet is your STT.sugar and constipation are deadly !!
Oh God, can you please not go on to include a description of your personal bowel habits.that book incidentally said the most important measure of a healthy lifestyle / diet is your STT.
and it's important that you get your STT down!!
that's Stool Transit Time
achieved with exercise, bran, stuff like that lol.
DECEMBER 2007 UPDATE: Due to the more than 1,200 professional signers to this Statement the signatories are now listed in the following sections:
UNITED STATES: Names beginnning with A-M - N-Z and INTERNATIONAL signers
PROFESSIONALS' STATEMENT CALLING FOR AN END TO WATER FLUORIDATION
AUGUST 9, 2007
We, the undersigned professionals, come from a variety of disciplines but all have an abiding interest in ensuring that government public health and environmental policies be determined honestly, with full attention paid to the latest scientific research and to ethical principles.
EIGHT recent events make action to end water fluoridation urgent.
1. The publication in 2006 of a 500-page review of fluoride’s toxicology by a distinguished panel appointed by the National Research Council of the National Academies (NRC, 2006). The NRC report concluded that the US Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) safe drinking water standard for fluoride (i.e. maximum contaminant level goal or MCLG) of 4 parts per million (ppm) is unsafe and should be lowered. Despite over 60 years of fluoridation, the report listed many basic research questions that have not been addressed. Still, the panel reviewed a large body of literature in which fluoride has a statistically significant association with a wide range of adverse effects. These include an increased risk of bone fractures, decreased thyroid function, lowered IQ, arthritic-like conditions, dental fluorosis and, possibly, osteosarcoma.
The average fluoride daily intakes (*) associated with many of these adverse effects are reached by some people consuming water at the concentration levels now used for fluoridation -- especially small children, above average water drinkers, diabetics, people with poor kidney function and other vulnerable sub-groups. For example, the average fluoride daily intake associated with impaired thyroid function in people with iodine deficiency (about 12% of the US population) is reached by small children with average consumption of fluoridated water at 1 ppm and by people of any age or weight with moderate to high fluoridated water consumption. Of special note among the animal studies is one in which rats fed water containing 1 ppm fluoride had an increased uptake of aluminum into the brain, with formation of beta-amyloid plaques, which is a classic marker of Alzheimer's disease pathology in humans. Considering the substantial variation in individual water intake, exposure to fluoride from many other sources, its accumulation in the bone and other calcifying tissues and the wide range of human sensitivity to any toxic substance, fluoridation provides NO margin of safety for many adverse effects, especially lowered thyroid function.
* Note: "Daily intake" takes into account the exposed individual’s bodyweight and is measured in mg. of fluoride per kilogram bodyweight.
2. The evidence provided by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in 2005 that 32% of American children have dental fluorosis – an abnormal discoloration and mottling of the enamel. This irreversible and sometimes disfiguring condition is caused by fluoride. Children are now being overdosed with fluoride, even in non-fluoridated areas, from water, swallowed toothpaste, foods and beverages processed with fluoridated water, and other sources. Fluoridated water is the easiest source to eliminate.
3. The American Dental Association’s policy change, in November 2006, recommending that only the following types of water be used for preparing infant formula during the first 12 months of life: "purified, distilled, deionized, demineralized, or produced through reverse osmosis." This new policy, which was implemented to prevent the ingestion of too much fluoride by babies and to lower the risk of dental fluorosis, clearly excludes the use of fluoridated tap water. The burden of following this recommendation, especially for low income families, is reason alone for fluoridation to be halted immediately. Formula made with fluoridated water contains 250 times more fluoride than the average 0.004 ppm concentration found in human breast milk in non-fluoridated areas (Table 2-6, NRC, 2006).
4. The CDC’s concession, in 1999 and 2001, that the predominant benefit of fluoride in reducing tooth decay is TOPICAL and not SYSTEMIC. To the extent fluoride works to reduce tooth decay, it works from the outside of the tooth, not from inside the body. It makes no sense to drink it and expose the rest of the body to the long term risks of fluoride ingestion when fluoridated toothpaste is readily available.
Fluoride’s topical mechanism probably explains the fact that, since the 1980s, there have been many research reports indicating little difference in tooth decay between fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities (Leverett, 1982; Colquhoun, 1984; 1985 and 1987; Diesendorf, 1986; Gray, 1987; Brunelle and Carlos, 1990; Spencer,1996; deLiefde, 1998; Locker, 1999; Armfield and Spencer, 2004; and Pizzo 2007 - see citations). Poverty is the clearest factor associated with tooth decay, not lack of ingested fluoride. According to the World Health Organization, dental health in 12-year olds in non-fluoridated industrialized countries is as good, if not better, than those in fluoridated countries (Neurath, 2005).
5. In 2000, the publication of the UK government sponsored “York Review,” the first systematic scientific review of fluoridation, found that NONE of the studies purporting to demonstrate the effectiveness of fluoridation to reduce tooth decay were of grade A status, i.e. “high quality, bias unlikely” (McDonagh et al., 200).
6. The publication in May 2006 of a peer-reviewed, case-controlled study from Harvard University which found a 5-7 fold increase in osteosarcoma (a frequently fatal bone cancer) in young men associated with exposure to fluoridated water during their 6th, 7th and 8th years (Bassin et al., 2006). This study was surrounded by scandal as Elise Bassin’s PhD thesis adviser, Professor Chester Douglass, was accused by the watchdog Environmental Working Group of attempting to suppress these findings for several years (see video). While this study does not prove a relationship between fluoridation and osteosarcoma beyond any doubt, the weight of evidence and the importance of the risk call for serious consideration.
7. The admission by federal agencies, in response to questions from a Congressional subcommittee in 1999-2000, that the industrial grade waste products used to fluoridate over 90% of America's drinking water supplies (fluorosilicate compounds) have never been subjected to toxicological testing nor received FDA approval for human ingestion (Fox, 1999; Hazan, 2000; Plaisier, 2000; Thurnau, 2000).
8. The publication in 2004 of “The Fluoride Deception” by Christopher Bryson. This meticulously researched book showed that industrial interests, concerned about liabilities from fluoride pollution and health effects on workers, played a significant role in the early promotion of fluoridation. Bryson also details the harassment of scientists who expressed concerns about the safety and/or efficacy of fluoridation (see Bryson interview).
We call upon Members of Congress (and legislators in other fluoridating countries) to sponsor a new Congressional (or Parliamentary) Hearing on Fluoridation so that those in government agencies who continue to support the procedure, particularly the Oral Health Division of the CDC, be compelled to provide the scientific basis for their ongoing promotion of fluoridation. They must be cross-examined under oath if the public is ever to fully learn the truth about this outdated and harmful practice.
We call upon all medical and dental professionals, members of water departments, local officials, public health organizations, environmental groups and the media to examine for themselves the new documentation that fluoridated water is ineffective and poses serious health risks. It is no longer acceptable to simply rely on endorsements from agencies that continue to ignore the large body of scientific evidence on this matter -- especially the extensive citations in the NRC (2006) report discussed above.
The untold millions of dollars that are now spent on equipment, chemicals, monitoring, and promotion of fluoridation could be much better invested in nutrition education and targeted dental care for children from low income families. The vast majority of enlightened nations have done this (see statements).
It is time for the US, and the few remaining fluoridating countries, to recognize that fluoridation is outdated, has serious risks that far outweigh any minor benefits, violates sound medical ethics and denies freedom of choice. Fluoridation must be ended now.
STATEMENT SIGNED BY:
• UNITED STATES: Names beginnning with A-M and N-Z
• INTERNATIONAL SIGNERS
http://www.fluorideaction.org/statement.august.2007.html
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