Flood of migrants overwhelm Australia's borders

helicart said:

I am having some fun on a week off work Call, and have been trying to profile ASF users.

I admit I wasn't taking Afghanistan seriously until a few months ago myself..hadn't appreciated the Taliban's aggression in Pakistan.......but when Hilary "let's give everyone free health care as well as free houses" the peacenik started to take it seriously, so did I....and I thought the Obamarama Australian cheer squad might take more notice of one of their own....like Hillary....

Nevertheless, I'll be scaling back on posts from now.....back to the harsh light of free markets on Monday....and the vege patch needs tending...

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Your posts have been like a breath of fresh air. You have done a good job of exposing the hypocrisy of the leftists and the bleeding hearts. Like a fox in a hen house you have sent them squawking in all directions.

Stick around.

So_Cynical said:

We clearly have different opinions as to what constitutes a flood.

13337 unauthorised arrival's over 11 years is a non event...triple it
and its still a non event.

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Hey why have border security at all hey SC......a waste of money if it's just a few thousand coming in......gee even if they are terrorists or Taliban extremists, 'no worries mate....have a xxxx. and centrelink's just over there ......fancy a cuppa?'

OTOH, what's the cost per boat person to maintain border security.....

And who are you to say that Rudd's policy won't lead to an exponential increase in boaties, once word gets back home....

I mean, your argument is a discrete little cocooned package paternally declaring we shouldn't worry our poor little heads about what happens in the future.....we should deal with it when it happens....as it is so far fetched to be totally implausible by our smug, elite, better educated, and privileged keepers.......oh I feel so much better when I have them looking after me.....now what revisions has Rudd made to Labor policy this week? oh yes, let's chop defence spending by 15b.....then let's spend 100b....and what was the new threat this week that he didn't know about last week?

And how many years was that that unskilled migrants whether asylum seekers or whatever needed before they were tax revenue positive? Bonds just laid off a lot of them didn't it as have xx no. of manufacturers since the Hawke Keating tariff reductions....

Anyway, I don't think anyone is arguing against migrants coming to Australia, we just want to have the highest probability migrants make a net positive contribution to the security and 'common wealth' of the nation.....I work with some very smart Vietnamese 2nd generation Aussies. and they are great....but that doesn't mean Australia should do as you imply and just get down to the beach with our surfboards, and welcome any boat pointed in our general direction....

If this thread has gone down hill it is because guys like you can't discern shades of grey.....just like Rudd....who is now flip flopping his policies....ETS, border security, military spending, etc etc etc......

Anyway SC, get your slide rule out and calculate how many unskilled refugees Australia can absorb per annum, without public services and the current std of living being compromised. And give us some insight into how many jobs you have personally created in your life time....

While you are at it, let us know where your parents are going to retire, whether they'll be self funded, and how you expect unskilled asylum seekers to ever get off welfare and buy a house in a nation with one of the most expensive median house prices in the world. If you aren't a business owner who creates jobs, imho, you don't have as big a right as you are loud hailing all over the thread.

Thankyou.....and good night....

helicart said:

And how many years was that that unskilled migrants whether asylum seekers or whatever needed before they were tax revenue positive? Bonds just laid off a lot of them didn't it as have xx no. of manufacturers since the Hawke Keating tariff reductions....

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Excluding those on pensions, in bulk terms net overseas intakes are tax (burden) revenue positive on an annual basis.
Long term unemployed (Australian born) will continue to be a significantly greater burden on the public purse than refugees or any other category of overseas born.

Bobby said:

Hello Snake ,
Was listening to the radio when this was said ~ our govt pays a refugee & spouse over $400 each plus a hardship allowance on top of that per week , works out to be around $56,000 P/A

No wonder the poor old Aussie pensioner can't get an extra $30 !!

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The above is quite untrue. It's an email that has been doing the rounds for months now. I also heard it some months ago on the radio - probably the same bunch of people who are repeatedly ringing the talk shows. The ABC producer concerned checked, and soon after it was broadcast that it's entirely without foundation. Very mischievous rumour mongering.
And btw, before someone accuses me of being a left wing bleeding heart, just desist, thank you. I am merely correcting the record rather than allow unsubstantiated assertions to continue.

http://www.asrc.org.au/act_now/centrelink_myth.html

I could fix this problem

Just get me one of these



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I will take care of the rest

Brad

The only thing we should be concerned about is Indonesia, Australia is vastly underpopulated and Brad ?.....grow up, we dont actually live in a Bond movie.

Julia said:

I also heard it some months ago on the radio - .

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Well Julia it was said on ( Super Radio Network ) again last Friday .

Paying attention Rob , wish you had taken me up on the wager ..
Not happy with what you said .

Bobby said:

Well Julia it was said on ( Super Radio Network ) again last Friday .

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Saying it doesn't make it so. Check Immigration Dept website or Centrelink if you're not satisfied with the link I offered.
Regards
Julia

Julia said:

Saying it doesn't make it so. Check Immigration Dept website or Centrelink if you're not satisfied with the link I offered.
Regards
Julia

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Pay attention to what I said in the first place please .

Was listening to the radio when this was said ~

Bobby, this is what you said in the first place:

Was listening to the radio when this was said ~ our govt pays a refugee & spouse over $400 each plus a hardship allowance on top of that per week , works out to be around $56,000 P/A

No wonder the poor old Aussie pensioner can't get an extra $30 !!

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It seems clear from this post that you accepted what was said on the radio as being true.

I have offered to you the fact that it is simply not true. I have provided a link demonstrating this. You can further check, as I suggested, on Immigration or Centrelink websites.

What is the dispute? Do you still think refugee and spouse receive over $400 each per week? If so, I give up.

MrBurns said:

The only thing we should be concerned about is Indonesia, Australia is vastly underpopulated and Brad ?.....grow up, we dont actually live in a Bond movie.

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I have some close ties with Indonesia, worked there for over a year , and have family there ... I think the boat loads of illegal immigrants is a concern, but overall the country isn't.

Concerning refugees, my wife attended a refugee bbq on Friday, Major financial company, work organised and a Christian non-denominational NGO, and the stories I have heard from her one day experience with Sudan refugees and children, are better than any Walt Disney story ... both her and I are richer for it.

MrBurns said:

The only thing we should be concerned about is Indonesia

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Dad and I were just discussing his time as a `chocko` and his dads WW2 service and we got onto the subject of Indonesia. So what do you see as a real problem? Overpopulation, economic hardships, government rulings???

It's gravity, 200m people crammed in right next to a country that has more empty space tnan Rudd and Swans heads combined.

Julia said:

Bobby, this is what you said in the first place:



It seems clear from this post that you accepted what was said on the radio as being true.

I have offered to you the fact that it is simply not true. I have provided a link demonstrating this. You can further check, as I suggested, on Immigration or Centrelink websites.

What is the dispute? Do you still think refugee and spouse receive over $400 each per week? If so, I give up.

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Gee I'll try again to to get this clarified , You say it seems clear I accepted the radio story , I say thats what was on the radio & I posted it .
Now what I didn't say was I believe it , nor the opposite .
Its your conception of what I think , you don't know this but presume so , Julia its not like you to be so tunnel visioned

MrBurns said:

It's gravity, 200m people crammed in right next to a country that has more empty space tnan Rudd and Swans heads combined.

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MrBurns said:

and Brad ?.....grow up, we dont actually live in a Bond movie.

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Vacant space ... maybe make another territory called The Northwestern Territory.

MrBurns said:

It's gravity, 200m people crammed in right next to a country that has more empty space tnan Rudd and Swans heads combined.

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As I said earlier, I have lived there for 1 year and speak Bahasa, actually will be going back in November for 2 weeks, which is a regular thing, so have a bit of experience with the country.

"Crammed in there", is very different to how Westerners view life in general, Indonesia is very communal, you will have generations living under the same roof very happily, its not the same as expected in Anglo society ... that is, if you are a bread winner now, fend for yourself , go out and expand ... it's more like you are bread winner now, still part of the family, and can stay under the roof, why do you need to move.

It is a very communal society. I should know, living in Jakarta , and as a Westerner, even though quite young at the time, some of my most obnoxious actions, got reported back across major kilometers in one of the most largest cities, that is Jakarta, before I got home. It is an amazing country, and very different to Australia.

weird said:

It is an amazing country, and very different to Australia.

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A lot like Springvale no doubt.

MrBurns said:

A lot like Springvale no doubt.

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Respect your posts Mr Burn, and like a laugh ... don't quite get the post. Enlighten me.

weird said:

Respect your posts Mr Burn, and like a laugh ... don't quite get the post. Enlighten me.

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Springvale... a suburb of Melbourne where you cant get anything to eat if your only language is English, I think they may rename it to Saigon

lol, thanks to being part of British Empire, I will get spanked by saying that.

Diversify is good, I think everyone gets a bit annoyed when seeing overseas groups cling together when traveling or migrating ... why not embrace the local culture ... in Sydney city, people avoid eye contact in the city, so not so easy, but it is normal 'birds of a feather, flock together' ... however complete migration usually occurs over time, okay, another statement, which may get me smacked again, is on trains or buses in our 'new country' you will hear 'aussie accents' and watch the people leave, and not be anglo.

Also when Aussies go overseas they will cling to whatever is the safest, but slowly confidence will build, and I think Aussies are perhaps better at this than most countries, as I have read reports that Aussie managers international adapt better than most.

Children are a sponge ... more integration will occur with this group ... some people are upset with any societal integration ... wishing to unlearn anything, as they are angry with society in general ... however most people agree there is something worth learning as being a member of society.