Flood of migrants overwhelm Australia's borders

[ColB]

Originally posted by GG
"never thought I'd ever say it, but agree. unreal

gg

Hang on GG, you started this thread!

I've found it highly entertaining and the obvious winner in terms of imparted knowledge/research is helicart and Calliope.

Whilst I just so happen to agree with their views this is not the sole reason why they have won this debate hands down.

They have gone to great effort to impart their knowledge/views, unlike some who are quick to knock them but dont respond significantly with good reason/s why we should accept these illegal immigrants.

I've gotta go, Essendon-Collingwood game on at the G, beer waiting & potatoe chips. That won't hurtwill it Prospector?

Enjoy your ride tomorrow helicart. If you're in Melbourne I think you can forget it, gunna be wet and cold like Adelaide today.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Hang on GG, you started this thread!

I've found it highly entertaining and the obvious winner in terms of imparted knowledge/research is helicart and Calliope.

Whilst I just so happen to agree with their views this is not the sole reason why they have won this debate hands down.

They have gone to great effort to impart their knowledge/views, unlike some who are quick to knock them but dont respond significantly with good reason/s why we should accept these illegal immigrants.

I've gotta go, Essendon-Collingwood game on at the G, beer waiting & potatoe chips. That won't hurtwill it Prospector?

Enjoy your ride tomorrow helicart. If you're in Melbourne I think you can forget it, gunna be wet and cold like Adelaide today.

Sorry guys, am lost , can someone summarise?

gg

 

[ColB]

Originally posted by GG

never thought I'd ever say it, but agree.

unreal

gg

Sorry GG, I thought the inference in your comment in reply to Nunthewiser was a remark in reference to how this thread had degenerated into a battle of posters, namely helicart, metric & prospector. Sorry if I confused you!

Back to the footy.

 

[rederob]

Sorry guys, am lost , can someone summarise?

gg

Two thirds of migrants are, on arrival, aged between 25 and 45, and are relatively evenly divided on gender.
In recent years, most are arriving with valuable skills, have a lower unemployment rate and occupy white collar/professional occupations at a rate higher than Australian born.
Most will need to wait for 2 year before being eligible for social security benefits: They receive no more nor less than Australian-born attracting social security benefits.
New Zealanders arrive in Australia at twice our intake of "humanitarian" refugees (averaging just over 15,000pa over the past 20 years).
Migrants arriving with relatively poor English language skills experience unemployment around twice the average rate. However, as years pass their unemployment rate nears that of the average rate, despite a large proportion of this population having minimal or no education at time of entry.

The ignorance displayed by some here about the plight and motives of refugees is symptomatic of xenophobic attitudes, and gains traction with those will never seek to look over the horizon. I trust they never fall on hardship and need a helping hand.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Two thirds of migrants are, on arrival, aged between 25 and 45, and are relatively evenly divided on gender.
In recent years, most are arriving with valuable skills, have a lower unemployment rate and occupy white collar/professional occupations at a rate higher than Australian born.
Most will need to wait for 2 year before being eligible for social security benefits: They receive no more nor less than Australian-born attracting social security benefits.
New Zealanders arrive in Australia at twice our intake of "humanitarian" refugees (averaging just over 15,000pa over the past 20 years).
Migrants arriving with relatively poor English language skills experience unemployment around twice the average rate. However, as years pass their unemployment rate nears that of the average rate, despite a large proportion of this population having minimal or no education at time of entry.

The ignorance displayed by some here about the plight and motives of refugees is symptomatic of xenophobic attitudes, and gains traction with those will never seek to look over the horizon. I trust they never fall on hardship and need a helping hand.

Thanks Red for putting it all in context.

How do you feel about our right to decide the future mix of Australia?

gg

 

[Prospector]

you prefer to cut down tall poppies so they are the same height huh?
Marx thought the same....

unlike me, who has post grad quals in health, and am successfully self employed in the field, maybe I do have all the answers about diet.....but as you say, this is a share forum......

have a good arvo...

Are you suggesting you are a tall poppy then?

The thread title is about migration; GG must be wondering where his thread has gone. I (and others) disagreed that boat people were the real issue, you and others agreed that illegal migration was a significant issue; somehow out of that you became a tall poppy simply because others challenged your views of the world?

Calliope then raised the issues of priorities and used the diet thread as an example, and so you dredged through that thread to find a post I made querying the calorie content of fish oil. Why this is important I dont understand, but did you do that so you could post your qualifications and therefore implied superiority over everyone else?

Actually, I have never seen anyone post their qualifications before, maybe Kennas? I guess I am more impressed by what someone has to say, and their supporting argument and take them at face value, rather than think that they have qualifications therefore that makes them right. And I think some of the people I admire most on this forum are those with whom I have had disagreements. An interesting debate in which there is respect shown on both sides, is a greater learning experience for all, as opposed to someone who refuses to see any other view point than their own.

Because you see, you really dont know who posts here, what their qualifications are and what their work involves.

 

[Bobby]

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Most will need to wait for 2 year before being eligible for social security benefits: They receive no more nor less than Australian-born attracting social security benefits.


The ignorance displayed by some here about the plight and motives of refugees is symptomatic of xenophobic attitudes, and gains traction with those will never seek to look over the horizon. I trust they never fall on hardship and need a helping hand.

Hello Rob ,
This is from centrelink :


Centrelink refugee servicing framework
Centrelink's framework of service delivery caters to the needs of newly arrived refugees to assist in their settlement in Australia. This ensures timely payment, assessment and referral, and ongoing support for social and economic participation.

Refugees have access to Centrelink payments and services immediately upon their arrival in Australia and are not subject to the newly arrived residence waiting period.

Guess most won't have to wait that 2 years then !! :

 

[rederob]

Thanks Red for putting it all in context.

How do you feel about our right to decide the future mix of Australia?

gg

We have elections, don't we?
Our governments make these decisions, and the likes of you and me toss them out if we get can the numbers.
The issue, as I see it, is that we are now in a "global" environment and need to accept our reasonable share of responsibilities.
As a nation we are far better off for accepting post-WW2 refugees from Europe and, later, boat people from Asia. The "locals" were no different in their views then as they are today.
If we were half smart we would have a policy of interdiction in place so that known asylum seekers would arrive in Australia with at least some of their possessions, rather than have lost everything to people smugglers, and then lost their lives.

 

[So_Cynical]

Some posters here really need to get a grip.

Re: Flood of migrants overwhelm Australia's borders

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/arp/stats-02.html

From 1997 to 2008 there were 13337 unauthorised arrival's by boat...1212 unauthorised
arrival's per year could only be called a flood by people that are delusional.

 

[rederob]

Hello Rob ,
This is from centrelink :
Refugees have access to Centrelink payments and services immediately upon their arrival in Australia and are not subject to the newly arrived residence waiting period.
Guess most won't have to wait that 2 years then !! :

I am sure my point referenced "migrants", and made no mention of the special arrangements for refugees.
Now that you have discovered the social security entitlements for this group, you may care to correct the following:

Was listening to the radio when this was said ~ our govt pays a refugee & spouse over $400 each plus a hardship allowance on top of that per week , works out to be around $56,000 P/A

 

[Prospector]

Some posters here really need to get a grip.

From 1997 to 2008 there were 13337 unauthorised arrival's by boat...1212 unauthorised
arrival's per year could only be called a flood by people that are delusional.

Yup, as on page 1 here where I mentioned that less than 5% of illegal immigrants arrived by boat. 96% arrive by plane! The media seem to prefer hacking in to the boat people though.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Two thirds of migrants are, on arrival, aged between 25 and 45, and are relatively evenly divided on gender.
In recent years, most are arriving with valuable skills, have a lower unemployment rate and occupy white collar/professional occupations at a rate higher than Australian born.
Most will need to wait for 2 year before being eligible for social security benefits: They receive no more nor less than Australian-born attracting social security benefits.
New Zealanders arrive in Australia at twice our intake of "humanitarian" refugees (averaging just over 15,000pa over the past 20 years).
Migrants arriving with relatively poor English language skills experience unemployment around twice the average rate. However, as years pass their unemployment rate nears that of the average rate, despite a large proportion of this population having minimal or no education at time of entry.

The ignorance displayed by some here about the plight and motives of refugees is symptomatic of xenophobic attitudes, and gains traction with those will never seek to look over the horizon. I trust they never fall on hardship and need a helping hand.

It sounds as if most of these poor buggers are better possible migrants than the old grannies on Border Security bringing in suitcases full of live chooks and salamis and noodles.

gg

 

[Largesse]

Some posters here really need to get a grip.

Re: Flood of migrants overwhelm Australia's borders

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/arp/stats-02.html

From 1997 to 2008 there were 13337 unauthorised arrival's by boat...1212 unauthorised
arrival's per year could only be called a flood by people that are delusional.

mate you need to frame you argument properly as there are two clearly different sets of data within your set, between 1997-2002 and 2002-2008.

HAVE A GUESS WHY THERE WAS A SHARP DROP OFF AFTER 2002?

If we get back to 1997-2003 levels then that IS a flood.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

mate you need to frame you argument properly as there are two clearly different sets of data within your set, between 1997-2002 and 2002-2008.

HAVE A GUESS WHY THERE WAS A SHARP DROP OFF AFTER 2002?

If we get back to 1997-2003 levels then that IS a flood.

This worries folk in Northern Australia.

I can remember a refugee boat coming in just North of Cairns during those years.

gg

 

[Bobby]

I am sure my point referenced "migrants", and made no mention of the special arrangements for refugees.
Now that you have discovered the social security entitlements for this group, you may care to correct the following:

Yes you did reference " migrants " ( Food of migrants overwhelm Australia's borders )
Why would I need to correct the second part ? what I said was stated , therefore a factual statement
Do you think the figures are wrong ?

 

[So_Cynical]

mate you need to frame you argument properly as there are two clearly different sets of data within your set, between 1997-2002 and 2002-2008.

HAVE A GUESS WHY THERE WAS A SHARP DROP OFF AFTER 2002?

If we get back to 1997-2003 levels then that IS a flood.

We clearly have different opinions as to what constitutes a flood.

13337 unauthorised arrival's over 11 years is a non event...triple it
and its still a non event.

 

[rederob]

Why would I need to correct the second part ? what I said was stated , therefore a factual statement
Do you think the figures are wrong ?

The partnered rate for people unemployed is $409 per week, or a bit over $20k for a couple, over 12 months.
Unless you misheard, I think your statement was a deliberate (and mischievous) lie or simply incorrect; and that's a fact

 

[Largesse]

We clearly have different opinions as to what constitutes a flood.

13337 unauthorised arrival's over 11 years is a non event...triple it
and its still a non event.

Y1: 1212 x 20000pa = $24 249 090
Y2: 2(1212 x 20000pa) = $48 498 181
Y3: 3(1212 x 20000pa) = ....
Y4: 4(1212 x 20000pa) = ....
Y5: 5(1212 x 20000pa) = ....
Y6: 6(1212 x 20000pa) = ....
Y7: 7(1212 x 20000pa) = ....
Y8: 8(1212 x 20000pa) = ....
Y9: 9(1212 x 20000pa) = ....
Y10: 10(1212 x 20000pa) = $242 400 000

Welfare isn't cheap.



Also consider for a second how many countries these people could happily stop off in on their way from Afghanistan/Iran/India/wherever to get to here. Ask yourself why they don't stop and escape their persecution in any of those countries?

Because they don't get big fat tasty hand outs from our over generous government

 

[Glen48]

I know 2 people who married Asains and they both took off and DIMA is not interested it finding them and it now sounds like the ATO is funding them so why get on a leaky boat when they can find a sucker here is OZ and get a free ride right to the door.

 

[Bobby]

The partnered rate for people unemployed is $409 per week, or a bit over $20k for a couple, over 12 months.
Unless you misheard, I think your statement was a deliberate (and mischievous) lie or simply incorrect; and that's a fact

I'm sure the radio station I was listening to keeps recordings of whats said , like to make a wager on your presumptions Rob ?

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