The examples you give are Lebanese Muslims and Sudanese. These are countries and religions. Do you think Muslims should be banned from coming to Australia?
their numbers should be severely limited yes. an historical study of islam, an understanding of its nature and a look at the bloody borders it maintains today leads me to believe that importing large numbers of muslims would not be healthy for our society if we wish to maintain it this way. maybe you should see how "enriched" europe has become through muslim immigration?
What about the non-Muslims who are criminals?
deal with them through the courts, and if over time a pattern emerges that a specific group of migrants is hugely overrepresented in criminal statistics then adjust the level and implementation of their migration. effective policy must be adapable.
Similarly, in itself, being male does not make you a criminal but it makes you more likely to be a criminal, but like I said do you think government should subsidize abortion of male fetuses or prevent men from coming into Australia?
yeah abort male foetuses, does that sound like a good idea to you? your word play and semantics is impressive but lacks common sense. the importation of large numbers of uneducated culturally incompatible people into liberal western democracies has been proven to be detrimental for the wider society. you can twist words and philosophise till the cows come home but it doesn't change the simple facts on the ground.
in reality its all about looking at the facts and managing the policy based on what is actually happening, not what we wish was happening.
If you send away one group of people because they are statistically more likely to be criminals, many innocent people are going to be labeled as criminals.
well we're not actually sending anyone away, we are preventing them from entering, and we have the right and the responsibility to do what is best for our society first. maybe you can tell me - what is the magic number of lousy immigrants we have to tolerate? say we take in 100 immigrants and statistically X amount are criminals and Y amount are welfare dependent and Z amount follow an ideology that thinks its ok to impose their own value systems on society - how many should we tolerate for the sake of tolerance?
Every one of us belongs to an infinite number of groups. It is highly likely that at least one of the groups you belong to makes you statistically more likely to be a criminal. Don't you think it is unfair to blame people based on being male, being young, or being short when in of itself these characteristics do not cause criminality but may be statistically related to criminality?
this is just playing word games. we have statistics available that certain groups are X amount more likely to be criminals and Y amount more likely to be drains on society (although they are very difficult to dig up because they aren't "in the public interest"). sensible policy would be to not import more of these groups that have a higher tendency towards anti-social behaviour. there are plenty of immigrant sources who have successfully integrated into wider australian society over long periods of time - why not continue with a working formula? and as for those that are already here, then policy will need to be created to manage them, even though people will cry racism.
and once again our right to manage who comes into this country supercedes the right of foreigners free access to our society. from immigration policy to border defence it is our right to say who shall come in, how many can come and how they should arrive /cue john howard.
The same applies to religion or nationality. If you block based on religion or nationality because of statistical correlation you must also block by gender, age, and height for the same reason.
why?
Managing the population in a way that best serves the interests of the society--isn't this the definition of eugenics? Is that what you suggesting?
yeah i'm down for eugenics. eugenics is a big word though with many layers. do you think retards should breed if they will have retarded children? do you think we should import large numbers of radicalised militants who think honour killings are a-ok and your daughter deserved to be raped if she wears a mini skirt? you know, cats and uncovered meat and all that.
Even if all immigrants were blocked, there will still be cultural conflict within Australia. This is because of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech allows individuals within Australia to form independent ideas or opinions that may differ to that of the mainstream.
yup thats cool, but thats an in-house problem for us to manage. this thread is about importing cultural conflicts from outside australia.
Islam as a religion may conflict with Christianity. The god in Islam is one single god whereas the god in Christianity is one god acting in three ways (the concept of the trinity). However, even within Christian teaching there is conflict
look you can tu coque all you want about christianity, but if you have any knowledge of islam you know that it is fundamentally different from christianity (or any other religion) in very important way. islam isn't just a religion - it is a complete social, financial and ideological system divinely mandated to spread, conquer and impose its values upon the entire planet.
this is where all the "oh the crusades", "the bible is evil too", "but what about so and so" arguments fall down - no other religion is a complete system designed to control every facet of a person life and take over the whole world. islam is, and this is why its dangerous. and finally people are starting to wake up to the fact.