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The above post was from 2013, another useless brain fart that did nothing to further Australia.

Well I am just pleased this disaster, has ended up as it deserved to, down the S bend.

'Very expensive LNG': World's largest floating gas plant restarts, but critics say it's too late

It was supposed to be an economical and environmentally safe solution to LNG production, but with almost a third of its short life in shutdown Shell's floating colossus may prove to be a mistake.
www.abc.net.au

Just an absolute disgrace, the whole sorry story, the gas should have been processed onshore from the start. IMO
Minority groups and the media screwing Australia as usual, difficult to claim the "green' high ground when you are spewing out hydrocarbons into the atmosphere.
Barnett must be pizzing himself laughing, meanwhile loonie Bob Brown mounts up to chase the next windmill, what a mess.
Just my opinion.
 
"Working-class Aussies are abandoning the ALP in droves over the party’s obsession with “woke” issues like gender, race and climate change."

So says Joe Hildebrand anyway.



"Private research commissioned by the NSW Electrical Trades Union – which was itself just taken over by the Left this week – has found a quarter of union members surveyed no longer vote Labor and a further 35 per cent reported decreasing support for the party."

Pretty worrying for Labor if it's true, but it's something I've suspected for a while.

‘F*** you, we’ll vote Pauline Hanson’

EXCLUSIVE
www.news.com.au
 
SirRumpole said:
"Working-class Aussies are abandoning the ALP in droves over the party’s obsession with “woke” issues like gender, race and climate change."
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It's absolutely true and the crux of the party's problems from what I've seen.

The basic sentiment seems to be that there's a very valid case for equal opportunity and treatment for both genders, all races and so on but they've had more than enough of those who can't be bothered taking the opportunity complaining that they're hard done by.

That plus there seems to be a perception that it's an endless agenda and an increasingly trivial one at that. Fix whatever the current demand is then immediately there's a new one which jumps the queue. Associated with that is that most working class people can take a joke, they're not as easily offended as some others seem to be and they sure don't call a lawyer because someone said something.

Disclosure: I'm a former member of the Electrical Trades Union (ETU) / Communications, Electrical & Plumbing Union (CEPU). Only reason I'm not presently a member is it doesn't really relate to what I'm doing at present. I'm still on their email list however.
 
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Doesn't change workers voting for LNP is the same as turkeys voting for Xmas.

In fact you could apply that to most of the middle class just the fact the LNP backed the banks ripping people off speaks volume.
 
IFocus said:
Doesn't change workers voting for LNP is the same as turkeys voting for Xmas.

In fact you could apply that to most of the middle class just the fact the LNP backed the banks ripping people off speaks volume.
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Recent posters to this thread are active on the Education Disgrace thread I've noticed.
The Gonski reforms of the last Labor Government were a step toward what's been going on in Finland for the past 25-30 yrs.
Finland /Gonski are an existential threat to Private Schools in Australia; And they know it. They and the LNP will work to undermine any action toward steps in this direction.

A consequence of the Finnish long term educational reforms can be assessed in myriad forms not least the National
Incarceration Rate 53: 100,000.
Australia 205: 100,000...
Magnetudes of discrepency as this don't come because of cold long nights in winter.

Fascinating as well was the fluke meeting of Frydenberg and Holgate that give high level imprimater to Holgates push for Banks in post offices to distract from Schmo's 26 defections of a Royal Cimmission into the Banks...
Only one of the things a better Educated public would have demanded long long ago...
And a population not so easily vexed by the elected shills of the Fossil Fuel/ mining industry...

and be a bit better at connecting dots in general...

Keep'm Stupid, greedy and bigoted and enough 'Turkeys' will vote LNP....
 
IFocus said:
Doesn't change workers voting for LNP is the same as turkeys voting for Xmas.

In fact you could apply that to most of the middle class just the fact the LNP backed the banks ripping people off speaks volume.
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Thats a bit rough and some what biased IMO.
The last time the workers and middle class voted Labor in, they got two extra years on their working lives(pension age raised to 67), so really a bit of give and take, wouldnt go astray.
Maybe thats why the workers and middle class deserted them, sick of the Labor Party making turkeys out of them?
 
Yes, I think we were just rated above Finland, but 3.5 years behind China, when ranking our 15 year olds.
Rah,Rah,Rah.
Jeez Orr, read up on the absolute mess the teachers union have made of our education system sunshine.
Maybe it makes you feel great that the kids are learning sod all, but it depresses most Australians.
Our standards have been dropping since the Labor Party weaponised how hard it is for teachers.lol
So they got a student free day to prepare after the holidays, which they get 12 weeks of a year, it breaks my heart I can understand how difficult it must be.
 
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IFocus said:
Doesn't change workers voting for LNP is the same as turkeys voting for Xmas.

In fact you could apply that to most of the middle class just the fact the LNP backed the banks ripping people off speaks volume.
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Trouble for the ordinary person in the middle is that they've got two choices and neither has been anything short of a disaster.

I mean seriously, what does the ordinary worker or middle class person have to do in order to get a government that's actually on their side?

For a very long time now the choice has come down to who was perceived as least bad, there was no option to pick someone who was actually good.
 
A stuff up, processing onshore could have opened up the Kimberly and what do we have know zip?
No offshore processing and Broome still a basket case, of unemployment and social problems.
And 8 years on:

Shell’s $12 Billion Prelude LNG Barge Drifts Toward A Finale

Prelude or finale, that’s a question some pessimists are starting to ask about a ship called Prelude which was supposed to revolutionize the liquefied natural gas (LNG) industry.
www.forbes.com
 
Yes, I remember that.
The partnership said the project wouldn't be profitable if it wasn't processed offshore.
And having an Australian company WPL as a partner the government were desperate for the money to flow in.

Looks like Shell have failed to be able to design snd build it and now it is definitely not profitable.
The WA premier Barnett who was against all this can now say "told you so".
Can't believe how many billions have been wasted. At least it's not taxpayers money.
 
I know people in Broome who camp up here at the sight of the proposed gas plantare pretty happy.
Pristine part of the world
Port Hedland has BHP,FMG and Roy Hill and is the worlds biggest bulk tonnage port and is still a dump
 
"In the Kimberley, Australia’s largest oil and gas company, Woodside, along with industrial giants Shell, BP and PetroChina, proposed to build a huge gas hub at James Price Point just north of Broome. In 2013, following a similar campaign in the media and in boardrooms, Cousins succeeded in having the $45 billion plan abandoned."

That's Geoff Cousins mentioned above, good mate of John Howard (ex Liberal PM from memory) who installed him to the Board of Telstra after working on the Optus Board also member of the Australian Club(well known Trotsykist 'hot bed'), in a quote lifted from an article from The Saturday paper high lighting his efforts in denying Adani's financing for it's Carmichael effort... (hint; it reeks of stranded asset)
Cousins also put the skewer threw Gunns Pulper in Tasmania...
People like Cousins it seems can see the future a long while before others. This is aided immensely by taking off the ideological blinkers and also knowing a lot.... less be shown that they don't.
 
Humid said:
I know people in Broome who camp up here at the sight of the proposed gas plantare pretty happy.
Pristine part of the world
Port Hedland has BHP,FMG and Roy Hill and is the worlds biggest bulk tonnage port and is still a dump
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I know why they camp up there, too scared to stay in Broome, the crime is through the roof, daughter and S.I.L took the kids up there last month.
But you are right about Port Headland it is a dump.
 
Labor To Back Ordinary, Hard-Working Millionaires

Saying it was time to return to the party’s roots, Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has made a range of announcements which he says will appeal to Labor’s traditional base of everyday, hard-working rich people.

“I think we’ve lost our way,” Albanese said. “When people think about Labor and what it stands for, they think of lending a hand to those grinding out a living in the top tax bracket. Ordinary families trying to make ends meet. Hard-working mums and dads trying to put food on the new table that they bought for the holiday house in Palm Beach”.

He said the party had been drifting from its core purpose. “The truth is, we’ve diverged from our values. We want to be the party for workers. Those regular Australian workers looking for some relief in the $180k-$200k per annum wage range”.

Mr Albanese also defended his party’s plans to move away from its policy of scrapping negative gearing. “We want to give every working investor the chance to own their first negatively geared property”

Labor To Back Ordinary, Hard-Working Millionaires

"Regular Mums and Dads grinding out a living in the top tax bracket”
www.theshovel.com.au

This is a joke... (not)
 

Seriously though I was disappointed at Labor's backdown on the great middle-upper class tax rort called negative gearing.

I wonder what research they have done to determine whether that policy was a major factor in their loss, rather than say climate change policy or their increasing 'wokeness' that gravitated to subjects a lot of struggling workers don't really care about.

Someone will have to pay for the massive debt chasm and it's up to Albanese to detail exactly who those people will be , otherwise their traditional base will
get nervous again.
 
I suspect Labor no longer looks upon negative gearing as the low hanging fruit with interest rates this low.

Albo is targeting the Howard Battlers of 1996 after losing that unlosable election
 
Just don't mention franking credits...
 
I don't think Albo should have done a complete 180 turn, the fundamentals of Labors ideas were sound, as usual the implementation was woeful.
Only allowing negative gearing on new builds, when middle and low income earners can hardly afford a house, isn't going to work.
As we said at the time just put a cap on negative gearing and allow first home buyers to claim their interest as a tax deduction.
But no Labor was only going to allow the rich to negative gear and also give them a guaranteed gov income if they rented to the hard up, no wonder there was a massive swing to Labor in the wealthy suburbs, it would have been a license to print money for the rich.
Meanwhile it would have trashed the value of houses in blue collar areas, so the working class wouldn't have the collateral to get up the ladder.

The same ridiculous approach was suggested for franking credits, take in them of low income earners and self funded people, while allowing industry funds and billionaires to keep them was weird and only designed to force SMSF's into industry funds IMO.
Just remove the franking credits completely, for a period of time and then weigh up the outcome. At least that would be fair and reasonable and would have also been a net benefit to Australia and given the ATO some real numbers to work with.

Albo has only ditched the negative gearing and franking credit proposals completely, because he knows that the scare tactics on them being introduced when they get in office, would be a problem in the election campaign.
Albo is doing fine, at least they have a leader with a bit of common sense, rather than just a massive ego and an even bigger nasty streak as the last leader had IMO.

Now I will just slip on the flack jacket and crash helmet and wait for the ton of rust to hit.?
 
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