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luutzu said:
Aren't your anger at today's spoilt kids based on the assumption that all electricity usage must come from dirty fossil?
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The current level of consumption in general is unsustainable no matter how it’s powered.

Buying a new phone every two years (for example) isn’t sustainable no matter how you generate the power to charge it.

Energy is one of the problems but it’s only one of them. Fixing that doesn’t remove the need to scale back consumption of pretty much everything.

Roughly 7.7 billion people on earth today versus 5.1 billion in 1988 when the climate issue first came to mainstream attention. Meanwhile consumption per capita is also rising.

We’re simply using too much of just about everything.
 
The predictions have been metered down for years now by business controlled governments.

All too obvious. On overpopulation, how are you going to stop the urge for children. For the established coal miner he wants to keep making his money and the workers their jobs. Poland a current example in the news now on coal.

Just have a good time while you can and try not to think of your Grandchildren
 
100% on board with this view, as I have consistently stated in one way or another for several years now.

I think we can be sustainable, but not at current levels of consumption, this is why the school strike hypocrisy piqued into posting about it.

Live more frugally or STFU, be part if the solution not the problem
 
explod said:
All too obvious. On overpopulation, how are you going to stop the urge for children.
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Simple explod, surely you have noticed the massive increase in both male and female homosexuals. Bonk as hard as you may with the same gender and nothing will pop out! (disclaimer, two red wines and concussion!)
 

@Smurf1976 is right on the money IMHO.

David Attenborough yesterday (3rd December 2018) at the People's Seat Address at 24th Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. (COP24) confirmed the views espoused by Smurf1976..

"We have all been living beyond our means. It's a perfectly simple thing. We knew not what we did,"

Skate.
 
Well said Ann. Could you help me out in the field to do that. Problem though, I'd probably be distracted by your lovely tail.

Just party along all.
 

Wow.

They continually say "Our new model shows that the predictions (which have not yet come to term) were less extreme than the reality, which we are sure our new model predicts!" - this is not the same as the actual data. Cherry picking on piece of ice which broke off is as ridiculous as the people saying "Oh wow, ice shelf x is expanding, global warming is debunked" or "Hey, record cold day at place x, global warming is debunked".

And yes, absolutely, it is possible (though extraordinarily difficult to be at all sure of) that we have averted an ice age. If that is true, we have literally saved the lives of billions of people by interacting with the climate and making it better. Go us.

But you are showing, as is typical of alarmists, that you are simply following political narratives, not critical analysis or rational thought. I pointed out we are interacting with the climate, you refuted my imagined denial of it happening. You freely acknowledge that natural climate change can easily be extreme enough to throw us into an ice age (I agree! This is a common occurrence! Long term climatic heat waves are also common in nature). This demonstrates the relative insignificance of human influence. The climate we have now is far closer to 'nice' and closer to pre industrial state than is an ice age, which by your own claims would show that humans are actually having a stabilising effect on the climate and keeping it more constant than it naturally would be at this point! This is by no means a claim I am making or one I consider to be true (it may be, but it's virtually impossible to assess, and I'd guess it not to be the case). Clearly, people are not being calm and rational about this topic. Your own claims are internally conflicting and nonsensical.
 
explod said:
Well said Ann. Could you help me out in the field to do that. Problem though, I'd probably be distracted by your lovely tail.

Just party along all.
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Be careful explod, there is a sting in it!
 

Yes, true. But that still doesn't make it better or normal to not give a damn. Or pretend that a lump of coal is harmless and won't bite.

I mean, if higher population and greater per capita consumption cannot be sustained, it's not going to be more sustainable if the kids just stay at school and cut back on technological advances or standard of living.

If there's a budget, the current generation can either cut back on it or transitioned into an alternative source so later generation can have some room to breathe.

We can't tell them... sorry kids, we've spent it, now stop breeding and those techie stuff.
 
Ann said:
Be careful explod, there is a sting in it!
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Ok, good interpretation in fact, not sure of my spelling but sTing, sing, perhaps you meant song. My foot hovers on the accelerator.

Now what were we talking about, ahh Yes the weather, very miserable here at Warrnambool atm.
 
Darc Knight said:
Did I just see Wayne admit Global Warming IS real?

You're nevt @Ann
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I am thinking you meant next, I shall read it as such. Right, yes guess what DK, there is global warming and it has been happening since around 1700 we have been coming out of the last ice age from around 1650 we are right at a very top spike of global warming at the moment, soon to be traveling down, the next equal spike up will be around 2059, then we will be heading back down into another ice-age. Enjoy the weather, it is the best time for our whole planet at the moment. Beach weather for all. I lived through the cold in the 50s and 60s. Every winter I had constant chillblains that would often bleed. No-one has chillblains these days. In fact I bet a lot of you will not even know what they are. My mother used to sit at the piano as a young girl in the 1917-20s, a much colder time than in my youth and her piano teacher used to hit her fingers with a ruler if she made a mistake. She told me her hands were always covered in chillblains and it would make them bleed.
Yes we are in a warmer period in the cycle, lucky, lucky us. What I take issue is that the weather we are experiencing is natural not caused by man. However I may agree that the higher levels of CO2 if that is indeed a fact, (I am yet to be convinced by people standing in an effusing volcano taking measurements of CO2, which is what volcanos pump out at a great rate) is actually a true measurement may be caused by man, but not from coal or oil. Another time for the explanation. Now I realize it is impossible to argue with a cult belief system so there is no point me continuing, as I am taking up the little energy I have at the moment arguing with the indoctrinated which shows me to be a fool. The only reason I am speaking is in the slim chance there may be someone of reason reading this.
 
Rubbish Ann, polar regions suddenly measuring 40c hotter in their winters.

Yes we have had it in the past but if you have studied the records it has happened gradually except for the Volcanic one and the meteorite hit one.
 
The Government should take the lead in this debate, and demand all coal fired generation is closed for one day of the week.
At least then we get clean air, for a 24 hour period.
 
Darc Knight said:
Did I just see Wayne admit Global Warming IS real?

You're nevt @Ann
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Ahhh darcy, you dee you really should avoid the toxic narrative of the likes of @basilio

For the millionth time, I have never denied global warming or climate change, or even anthropogenic factors... *especially on a regional level. That has been my consistent position for many years now.

However I am not on board with the most extreme alarmism or doomsday scenarios. Call me a moderate if you like.

I am deeply concerned about overall general pollution and habitat destruction, always have been, which I think has been overshadowed by the silly CC political extremism.

Its why we live a frugal lifestyle in terms of resource use. You see I am a greenie really, just not a green.
 
explod said:
Rubbish Ann, polar regions suddenly measuring 40c hotter in their winters.

Yes we have had it in the past but if you have studied the records it has happened gradually except for the Volcanic one and the meteorite hit one.
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What are you talking about? What 40C hotter, where did I say that?
 
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