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Emissions is a cumulative process, so every step to mitigate is meaningful.No, we cannot influence meaningful change unless we stop coal exports. And that day is coming.
In the meantime... Prepare.
Using per capita is simply fudging figures. China and India pollute more then we ever could. Go to Jakarta and see the difference in air quality.
It would only result in the smearing of the researchers and a range of specious argument. My time is more valuable than to waste that way.You really need to look at the difference between the information I post, with regular links to back up commentary, and the rubbish you post.
You continue to have great difficulty understanding what words mean, because you are not using them properly.
Again, put up something factuainvestedl for a change so that readers have something which is relevant to this thread.
Actually, it would show you had no idea, as you have proven since the inception of the many threads in ASF forums.It would only result in the smearing of the researchers and a range of specious argument. My time is more valuable than to waste that way.
That's just ad hom. And you still haven't demonstrated any cognitive dissonance on my part.Actually, it would show you had no idea, as you have proven since the inception of the many threads in ASF forums.
And that is precisely why what you continue to post is mostly rubbish here.
Your contributions are oftentimes an irrelevance in these forums as you do not know anything meaningful about climate science, use words inappropriately, and cannot present an argument.That's just ad hom. And you still haven't demonstrated any cognitive dissonance on my part.
...and I'll bet you don't even know what my position on climate actually is.
Looking at the past is useless. Unless you are looking for a reason to excuse huge levels of pollution. You still can't breath in many of China's cities.Emissions is a cumulative process, so every step to mitigate is meaningful.
You are completely wrong about China and India. Their respective contributions to global CO2 levels pale into insignificance compared with the industrial world since the 1800s. This blame game on nations with greater populations is disgusting in my view, as it just says we don't want them to have the standard of living we have: it's a paradigm mired in cultural elitism.
I agree that coal continues to be a major contributor to increased CO2 levels, but we in Australia - via a recent election - have declared that it is not our problem because jobs come first. It is symptomatic of why we as a world are where we are. Let's instead blame the countries who aspire to live as we do.
Given the past got us here, the lessons are that we know what the solutions entail. But we, ie the industrialised world, is not keen to implement solutions that they consider cost jobs and reduce competitiveness.Looking at the past is useless. Unless you are looking for a reason to excuse huge levels of pollution. You still can't breath in many of China's cities.
I understand the argument that we got to industrialise, so emerging nations should be allowed to as well. But tech has advanced and the places that matter don't give a crap.
I do agree with a lot of the above. But we outsourced all our manufacturing due to a cheaper product with lax pollution laws. Its a sham to make our own emissions look better.Given the past got us here, the lessons are that we know what the solutions entail. But we, ie the industrialised world, is not keen to implement solutions that they consider cost jobs and reduce competitiveness.
Worse, we have outsourced the dirtiest and most labour intensive production to developing nations, and now cry about their CO2 emissions. But we are very happy indeed to buy from them because we are now much better off through having to pay a fraction of the cost had we instead produced those same items at home.
The duplicity of our stance is palpable.
There are many like me who would argue that relocating industry to Third World nations such that we can import the production was a foolish move in every possible way.Worse, we have outsourced the dirtiest and most labour intensive production to developing nations, and now cry about their CO2 emissions.
We have however done an order of magnitude better job at keeping population under control than China has.
First because we lose our independence. Whatever they say, we can't afford to disagree with too strongly when we're relying on them for things we actually need. So whilst we might disagree with what some other country does, our hands are tied when it comes to exerting any real pressure.
We actually shoveled a sht full into Indonesia and they sent it back. It was full of rubbish and not recycling.The recycling scenario with China is a good example of that.
Shovel our rubbish off to China to process and when they don't take it any more we are basically stuffed for a long time.
We did a terrible job of sorting things that is true but it is still the case that the collapse of the offshoring arrangement is an example of what can go wrong. We're at the mercy of someone else changing their mind about things and doing so reasonably quickly.We actually shoveled a sht full into Indonesia and they sent it back. It was full of rubbish and not recycling.
I have never made that representation bas. Always pointed out his view of mitigation"
Somehow, however that doesn't gell with the " softly, softly, It's not a real problem" approaches I have heard attributed by Wayne to Roger Pielke Jnr in his previous posts.
It seems Ann has left the building. I would have liked to ask "what planets , is it just Earth and what does the graph specifically mean?". If she says it's Earth getting nearer the Sun then what do 50 year variations indicate? The 1880-1930 bit is hotter than 1930-1980. Today we're in a sharp drop in "planet orbit".
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