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Duckman#72 said:
Caroline Wilson and Patrick Smith need to get over themselves. Too full of their own importance to be able to see clearly.
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Totally agree. Journalists looking for a story and creating a huge beat up and finding someone who cannot speak out 'guilty'. If he is cleared I bet Caroline Wilson will be the first one to say what a champion he is etc etc without issuing the slightest apology. Amazing how journalists can call for someones head, with no evidence, and then if they are wrong so be it. Almost like being a stock analyst
 
Duckman#72 said:
.....Caroline Wilson and Patrick Smith need to get over themselves. Too full of their own importance to be able to see clearly.
Duckman
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Should be an interesting Footy Classified tonight. Caroline is riding Hirdy hard, it's not a good look from her. Another one is Andrew Demetriou. The AFL pays him $2M a year, and the best he can do is "..Hird should think about stepping down..".

Biting the hand that feeds, both of them.
 

Yep, more and more talk is about 'bringing the game into disrepute' and how action may be taken on that front. What about journalists brining the game into disrepute? They are the only ones doing it at the moment, if no one commented on the ongoing investigation then we wouldnt have this issue completely blown out of proportion.
 
chops_a_must said:
I don't really see the difference to the Ben Cousins case to be honest.
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It is slightly different to Ben Cousins as we are talking about the use or non-use of recreation/illegal substances with Ben. There is no grey area. Whereas the substances the EFC players took may or may not have been illegal. We are still waiting.

One thing I do agree with Caroline Wilson is that Demetriou is angry that the AFL did not act earlier with regards to supplements and "sports scientists". He stated very publicly last year that he was concerned about the sports departments overiding the club doctors and the impact that these very expensive departments were having on each team and the AFL in general. However it just ended there - there were no guidelines, inquiries, reviews etc.

When it comes down to it, what Hird and the EFC tried to do is gain a competitive advantage over the other teams by having a superior sports science department. According to Hird - Dank and Robinson were to implement the program within the guidelines provided by WADA. Much has been made by the commentators about "Hird being fully involved in the program", "Hird was being kept up to date with everything Dank did" etc. However that in itself is not evidence that Hird knowingly approved a noncomplying program.

In regards to bringing the game into disrepute, how guilty is Hird? I admit Simon Goodwin's texts do not make fantastic reading.

Hirdy seems very sure of his position.

Cheers
Duckman
 
Essendon have essentially had the wool pulled over their eyes by a modern day snake oil salesman. IMO Danks is nothing more then a conman offering the world with new you beaut methods and drugs but delivering very little and Essendon gave him the keys to the safe.

That Essendon aren't 100% certain of what was actually injected into their players is an issue, especially considering Danks apparently blew the budget by close to $100k.

Essendon wanted to push the boundaries and sail as close to the wind as possible in an effort to fast track development and gain an advantage. But they did so by cutting corners and letting people like Dank have too much control, essentially they took risks and are now paying the price for that. Any sort of research would have uncovered Danks methods as borderline considering Gold Coast and Cronulla had both sacked him and had issues with him before Essendon hired him.

With clubs willing to pay so much money to sports scientist and trainers like Danks and Robinson they really need to be cautious with the amount of freedom they give them. People will be willing to push the boundaries to get quick results and get the monetary and career rewards for it without actually really caring about the long-term welfare of the players. The long term effects of some of these drugs is really unknown, and I would argue the short term effects are relatively unknown.

I feel for the players as they are the innocent party but the Essendon hierarchy has brought a lot of this on themselves.
 
Another good win tonight. Well done boys. Even big gumby managed a few goals.

Felt sorry for Goddard.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
Another good win tonight. Well done boys. Even big gumby managed a few goals.

Felt sorry for Goddard.

Duckman
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Looking forward to watching the game, again.

St Kilda window well and truly closed.

Goddard will sleep well tonight.
 
Tim Lane's piece is in the Age on 21 April is a disgrace, and I'd question his motivations. Is Tim saying it's immoral to support James Hird, or am I reading it wrong? There's a thing called the presumption of innocence Tim, that's the law.

 
kennas said:
Looking forward to watching the game, again.

St Kilda window well and truly closed.

Goddard will sleep well tonight.
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What do people make of Goddard's display of emotion in the post match interview with Cam Mooney, crocodile tears or genuinely upset? Can't work the guy out, he chose to leave the Saints so why all the upset?
 
Miss Hale said:
What do people make of Goddard's display of emotion in the post match interview with Cam Mooney, crocodile tears or genuinely upset? Can't work the guy out, he chose to leave the Saints so why all the upset?
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Probably some regret. His mates at Essendon are probably not as tight with him as the Saints were. The scuffle probably reminded him of that. He went for the $$ and forgot about how much he enjoyed their company.
 
Miss Hale said:
What do people make of Goddard's display of emotion in the post match interview with Cam Mooney, crocodile tears or genuinely upset? Can't work the guy out, he chose to leave the Saints so why all the upset?
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He likes to run around pointing the finger like he's the on-field coach. Perhaps this isn't as accepted at Essendon. Have a look at the club captain, that's an on-field leader.
From a Swans fan.
 
Goddard is in the leadership group at Essendon
 
Gringotts Bank said:
Probably some regret. His mates at Essendon are probably not as tight with him as the Saints were. The scuffle probably reminded him of that. He went for the $$ and forgot about how much he enjoyed their company.
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The bloke played 10 years with St Kilda, he was a No 1 draft pick for them and was a favourite son at the club. He almost singlehandedly dragged them to an upset grand final win. Yes he left St Kilda for more money....but also more career certainty (extra no of years) and also the likelihood of playing finals.

He never had a falling out with the club. When you invest that much time, I think it is normal to carry some genuine feelings for a previous club and teammates. It would have been a very emotional game for him. I just see, read and hear some of the bile and venom directed at Goddard from Saints fans and football followers who didn't like his decision! Talk about emotional!!

What are people thinking about ANZAC Day? I'd love to see the Bombers jag one, but we have a few injuries and reports. Do they play Joe Daniher?

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
What are people thinking about ANZAC Day? I'd love to see the Bombers jag one, but we have a few injuries and reports. Do they play Joe Daniher?

Duckman
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I think we're a chance. Not sure if it's a good first game for Joe.
 
kennas said:
I think we're a chance. Not sure if it's a good first game for Joe.
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Yes it will be interesting to see if Fletcher, Crameri and Hurley are available. Hurley would miss I expect.

It will be a good test for our midfield and defenders. Up until this point both groups have performed very well.

Our forward line has been helped by goal scoring midfielders (Howlett and Watson in particular). Going into the game with Crameri and Gumbleton as the two key forwards is REAL hit or miss.

The magpies haven't been setting the world on fire although they would have enjoyed the win over the Tigs last week. Hope it is a good game (ie Essendon open up a 5 goal lead by quarter time, dominate the second, completely ruin the game as a contest in the third, and then grind them into the dirt in the fourth).

Duckman
 
Essendon will be in a whole heap of trouble as explained by TH above and WADA overnight...
 
Bombers riding the crest of a wave at the moment, I think they can beat Collingwood on Thursday. I would bring in Daniher if you need him and he is ready, otherwise leave out. Big match or less important match is irrelevant IMO.
 
Was closer than it looked in the end. Very good win, but Pies a little off their game.
 
kennas said:
Was closer than it looked in the end. Very good win, but Pies a little off their game.
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Collingwood have too many blokes who are one-way runners (Swan, Sidebottom and a lot of their small forwards) to win a flag. They're great with the ball and when their team is attacking, but when they need to defend they go missing.
 
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