JohnDe
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It's only his "responsibility" if Elon is a micro manager (pretending to be a CEO) who does not trust his managers on the factory floor to do their job. Is he going to floor walk his giga factory in Fremont, then fly to China the next day to do the same? TESLA is a team effort, not a one man show.
Since you know nothing about my company or the culture there, you're in no position to make such comments.
I reiterate, the directive by Musk to be in the office 40+ hours a week is not about all of his workers being their most productive in that environment. If you have ever worked in such a sweat shop culture you would know how unpleasant it is to work for a micromanaging control freak on an ego driven power trip.
Literally thousands of "ground breaking companies" allow or even now prefer remote working for certain roles to save money and provide an improved work/life balance.
An example of that "animal farm" you're referring to would be a factory floor worker at Tesla.
If you boss is happy for you to work that way, that’s fine.I work with my team "directly", conference with them regularly and they are dispersed in other countries and cities. Face to face, in person meetings and activities do matter in certain professions and situations no doubt, sales and manufacturing in particular.
I do of course realize that Elon is the subject of hero worship and many idolize him for being a visionary in the EV space. For them, Elon is a tech god to be revered so they become advocates and apologists for everything he says and does. While I acknowledge his visionary genius, presentation and marketing skills, it's the engineers and technicians that design and innovate at companies like Tesla that are the heroes to me. They deliver the vision on Elon's whiteboard sketches.
The directive to be in the office 40+ hours a week is not about all of his workers being their most productive in that environment. The "great resignation" is happening in large part due to the attitudes of managers like Musk toward remote work. No doubt many have and will leave Tesla for this very reason.
I'm a great believer in the concept of the Water Cooler, where informal contact allows ideas to flourish.
If you boss is happy for you to work that way, that’s fine.
But if Elon feels the company will be more productive with the designers, engineers etc being in the physical office then that’s his call, he is either right or wrong and the company will either prosper or suffer, I have no idea why this is news worthy though.
EVs sold at competitive prices? Compared with what, other EVs? Even with all the public money in the form of subsidies thrown at Tesla, their cars have until recently been affordable and then only to the minority of the financially well off in the U.S. and elsewhere. Musk did not invent the EV, rather he saw an opportunity to exploit a market segment abandoned and ignored by the majors....since Elon Musk was one of the founding members of Tesla and showed the world that EVs can be sold successfully and at competitive prices to comparable ICEV...
Such rhetorical nonsense demonstrates your office cubicle mindset (like Musk's) is clearly mired in outdated work practices while totally ignoring advances in workplace collaboration tools that actually enhance the equality of and communication between employees. That "water cooler" was long ago made redundant by virtual conferencing.No, it is not just about " all of his workers being their most productive", it's also about building a team environment, showing some form of equality between employees, getting the maximum inventiveness from all, being at the right place at the right time when a lightbulb moment happens, and so on.
If you look at total cost of ownership, Teslas are way lower cost of ownership than any other ICE car in their classes.EVs sold at competitive prices? Compared with what, other EVs? Even with all the public money in the form of subsidies thrown at Tesla, their cars have until recently been affordable and then only to the minority of the financially well off in the U.S. and elsewhere. Musk did not invent the EV, rather he saw an opportunity to exploit a market segment abandoned and ignored by the majors.
Such rhetorical nonsense demonstrates your office cubicle mindset (like Musk's) is clearly mired in outdated work practices while totally ignoring advances in workplace collaboration tools that actually enhance the equality of and communication between employees. That "water cooler" was long ago made redundant by virtual conferencing.
You frequently demonstrate little objectivity when discussing anything Musk and Tesla. Being a fervent apologist for and advocate of Musk at every turn exposes your extreme bias on this subject. Is there anything Musk does or says that you don't agree with or endorse, does Musk deserve such devotion? Musk doesn't deserve such infallible hero status and unquestioning defense. He is a fallible human being and awkward pronouncements such as his 40hr edict is an example of this.
Does EV TCO recover the price difference with ICE cars over the typical ownership period of a car? What about EV vs Hybrid TCO comparison and price difference recovery period? The closer the entry price of EVs get to ICE and Hybrid the more compelling the ownership proposition becomes. In less than a decade it won't matter anyway because a combination of legislation and the shift to EV only production by many manufacturers will mean that if you want to buy an ICE car it will more likely be a used one.If you look at total cost of ownership, Teslas are way lower cost of ownership than any other ICE car in their classes.
EVs sold at competitive prices? Compared with what, other EVs? Even with all the public money in the form of subsidies thrown at Tesla, their cars have until recently been affordable and then only to the minority of the financially well off in the U.S. and elsewhere. Musk did not invent the EV, rather he saw an opportunity to exploit a market segment abandoned and ignored by the majors.
Such rhetorical nonsense demonstrates your office cubicle mindset (like Musk's) is clearly mired in outdated work practices while totally ignoring advances in workplace collaboration tools that actually enhance the equality of and communication between employees. That "water cooler" was long ago made redundant by virtual conferencing.
You frequently demonstrate little objectivity when discussing anything Musk and Tesla. Being a fervent apologist for and advocate of Musk at every turn exposes your extreme bias on this subject. Is there anything Musk does or says that you don't agree with or endorse, does Musk deserve such devotion? Musk doesn't deserve such infallible hero status and unquestioning defense. He is a fallible human being and awkward pronouncements such as his 40hr edict is an example of this.
Misdirection, I was responding to your claims about the virtues of the Tesla workplace as you described it. I don't claim to have inside knowledge of Tesla operations and never have.What do you know about the Tesla operations and their work formula?
I frequently read in-depth reports on Tesla as an active investor. More so about their energy business since that's where future profit growth is most promising. I simply don't have an interest in reading books about Elon's adventures. I will leave that to others who think reading about his life experience can provide useful information or entertainment.Instead of reading news headlines, I suggest that you read more in-depth reports....
Misdirection, I was responding to your claims about the virtues of the Tesla workplace as you described it. I don't claim to have inside knowledge of Tesla operations and never have.
Thanks for the historical overview which I was already aware of. You conveniently exclude the huge role government subsides played, and continue to, in Tesla's success story. To Elon's credit, he has been very clever in the way he has convinced governments to subsidize his business expansion.
I frequently read in-depth reports on Tesla as an active investor. More so about their energy business since that's where future profit growth is most promising. I simply don't have an interest in reading books about Elon's adventures. I will leave that to others who think reading about his life experience can provide useful information or entertainment.
Based on my Math, over the life of my Tesla Model 3, it’s fuel and maintenance costs should be about $70,000 dollars less than running a similar size pure ICE car, so paying an extra few thousand for an EV definitely makes sense.Does EV TCO recover the price difference with ICE cars over the typical ownership period of a car? What about EV vs Hybrid TCO comparison and price difference recovery period? The closer the entry price of EVs get to ICE and Hybrid the more compelling the ownership proposition becomes. In less than a decade it won't matter anyway because a combination of legislation and the shift to EV only production by many manufacturers will mean that if you want to buy an ICE car it will more likely be a used one.
Like I said, I was responding to your comments on the virtues of the Tesla workplace which you either fail to understand or simply ignore to make a moot point.If you know nothing about the operations of Tesla, how can you make any comment
Yeah I do you condescending smart ar$e. I use to live in Fremont so have always had an interest in Tesla's evolution.Do you now?
Such an inane observation would apply the thousands of other entrepreneurs. Just more Elon worship.Tesla would not be here today if it were not for Elon Musk's drive and determination.
No you weren't.Like I said, I was responding to your comments on the virtues of the Tesla workplace which you either fail to understand or simply ignore to make a moot point.
Yeah I do you condescending smart ar$e. I use to live in Fremont so have always had an interest in Tesla's evolution.
I don't envy Musk, I respect what he has achieved and wish him and his company continued success. I am surprised you care at all about other "founders" as you are so enamored with everything Musk, I simply don't idolize him as you do.
Such an inane observation would apply the thousands of other entrepreneurs. Just more Elon worship.
Since you have descended into mockery and pejorative phrasing instead of engaging in measured debate, time to move on.
An arrogant assumption, you did not add more to my knowledge of Tesla just badgered me for taking issue with Elon's edict and your continued biased advocacy of everything Tesla. Interesting debate? It was a total waste of time and energy trying to debate with a fanboy, thanks for the reminder.Thanks for the interesting debate, you can now move on with a little more knowledge of Tesla
It's not old fashioned. But it is "Boss logic".Some think that's old fashioned and no longer relevant. I'm with you on his one, face to face interaction brings out the most inventiveness.
It's not old fashioned. But it is "Boss logic".
From the perspective of being a boss, I absolutely want employees at work/office.
However the benefits of working from home from the employees perspective is the opposite.
The "great resignation" came about when the cycle of turning up to work was broken. People realised how much they hate the grind. Low unemployment gave a lot of choice.
But don't worry bosses. Recession will quickly sort that out.
I'm sure a historian recently said that one reason Rome fell was because they got lazy. Something about "prosperity making them weak".Agreed.
The socialist (or is that communists) are multiplying.
In the case of the company I work for, (2000+ employees), working from the office is encouraged rather than compelled. Management is more concerned about delivering results on projects, on schedule than with all seats filled in the new office on any given day. Where you work to deliver these results is mostly irrelevant to them now. It's a paradigm shift and such flexible workplace arrangements will be taken into consideration by many job applicants going forward. I am quite certain that policies on flexible work will have a significant impact on the allocation of commercial office space, driving down costs.It's not old fashioned. But it is "Boss logic".
From the perspective of being a boss, I absolutely want employees at work/office.
However the benefits of working from home from the employees perspective is the opposite.
The "great resignation" came about when the cycle of turning up to work was broken. People realised how much they hate the grind. Low unemployment gave a lot of choice.
But don't worry bosses. Recession will quickly sort that out.
Be interesting to see where it is in a couple years time. Perhaps they are trying to shift workers into contractor roles. Less rent, less insurance, less disagreement and hr.In the case of the company I work for, (2000+ employees), working from the office is encouraged rather than compelled. Management is more concerned about delivering results on projects, on schedule than with all seats filled in the new office on any given day. Where you work to deliver these results is mostly irrelevant to them now. It's a paradigm shift and such flexible workplace arrangements will be taken into consideration by many job applicants going forward. I am quite certain that policies on flexible work will have a significant impact on the allocation of commercial office space, driving down costs.
The grind is mostly about the commute and noisy workplace rather than the work itself. A recession would shift the power balance but the flexible workplace is here to stay.
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