Electric cars?

[Knobby22]

well my first thought when i saw the Cyber-Truck presentation .. was military/law-enforcement applications and from memory ( i could be wrong ) a joking ( ?? ) reference to 'bullet proof '

glued on panels would be really useful if you wanted to upgrade the panels ( to say half-inch steel plating )

did Elon target the wrong customers with the cyber-truck ( or are some being secretly modified by mercenaries and gangsters )

According to the article the problem is that they were using glue on stainless steel and that is really tricky and requires high production values, hence the recall.

My understanding was that it was aimed at the ultra wealthy so they could travel with protection. Unfortunately I think in reality it makes them an obvious target. Hence the low sales.

 

[sptrawler]

well my first thought when i saw the Cyber-Truck presentation .. was military/law-enforcement applications and from memory ( i could be wrong ) a joking ( ?? ) reference to 'bullet proof '

glued on panels would be really useful if you wanted to upgrade the panels ( to say half-inch steel plating )

did Elon target the wrong customers with the cyber-truck ( or are some being secretly modified by mercenaries and gangsters )

Good points, I hadn't thought of that, it would make them very easy to be modified to light armoured vehicles, for military or secure civilian purposes (security patrols, carrying valuables between destinations etc).
Clever really, if you think of it objectively.

Still butt ugly IMO.

 

[mullokintyre]

Do they use glue?

Wait, Why Is the Cybertruck Held Together With Glue?

The loose stainless steel body panels that are falling of Cybertrucks on the road are held in place with glue.

futurism.com

There is a long history of using glue on panels in the Aviation and airspace industry.
The first commercial jet airliner, the COMET, had very thin streamlined skins that were glued to the substrate.
The thory at the time was they were trying to elinate as many potential holes as possible to validate the pressurisation system as it flew at heights.
In the 60's and 70's, large numbers of Grumman two and 4 place GA aircraft used bonded panels rather than rivets.
One of the problems with using either rivets(in aircraft) or spot welds in cars is that there is an uneven distribution of loads.
If two few load points are defined, weakness over time means cracks radiate from the rivet holes.
if you remember the recent explosion outside a trump building which was detonated in a cybertruck, the explosion went upwards rather than outwards, and the cybertruck was surprisingly intact.
Mick

 

[divs4ever]

Still butt ugly IMO.

maybe but those stainless steel panels are a LOT easier to clean with commercially available cleaners ( for public toilets )
i bet the left would be horrified to see how easy it is to remove their ' graffiti' ( which i find amusing since many of the vandals are mature-aged citizens .. and should have understood the basic material of 'their art '

am still confused how they translate Musk ( a native-born South African ) with a WW2 German
ideology after all Apartheid era South Africa had a VERY strong alliance with Israel ( when most of the developed world heavily sanctioned South Africa , forcing it to create several innovative solutions and a substantial amount of self-reliance )

 

[sptrawler]

maybe but those stainless steel panels are a LOT easier to clean with commercially available cleaners ( for public toilets )
i bet the left would be horrified to see how easy it is to remove their ' graffiti' ( which i find amusing since many of the vandals are mature-aged citizens .. and should have understood the basic material of 'their art '

am still confused how they translate Musk ( a native-born South African ) with a WW2 German
ideology after all Apartheid era South Africa had a VERY strong alliance with Israel ( when most of the developed world heavily sanctioned South Africa , forcing it to create several innovative solutions and a substantial amount of self-reliance )

Yes during the aparthied period South Africa apparently had a huge economy, as did Rhodesia.

 

[qldfrog]

Yes during the aparthied period South Africa apparently had a huge economy, as did Rhodesia.

And when apartheid ended, the Elons moved to the US to create Tesla ..not bad deal for the USA, and the rest of the patriarchs bought BHP

 

[SirRumpole]

BYD introduces 5 minute "Supercharger" As Tesla's popularity plunges.

Chinese EV company BYD takes fight to Tesla, as Elon's global sales slump

Chinese electric vehicle manufacturer BYD has unveiled its ultra-fast charger that promises to take just five minutes to fully power EVs — putting heat on rival Tesla in the process. But analysts say the electricity grid may not be ready, in Australia at least.

www.abc.net.au

 

[JohnDe]

BYD introduces 5 minute "Supercharger" As Tesla's popularity plunges.

Chinese EV company BYD takes fight to Tesla, as Elon's global sales slump

Chinese electric vehicle manufacturer BYD has unveiled its ultra-fast charger that promises to take just five minutes to fully power EVs — putting heat on rival Tesla in the process. But analysts say the electricity grid may not be ready, in Australia at least.

www.abc.net.au

I’m looking at the Model Y now. Deciding on the colour. I’ll sell the M3LR to a good mate for trade in value.

 

[qldfrog]

Off interest, tesla sales fell 50% last month in China
Not good for Tesla and knowing chinese would not care about Elon, DOGE or roman salute plus are not brainwashed into MDS/TDS, it might indicate a fundamental issue with Tesla
IMHO, a lack of value vs BYD.
When looking at EV, i looked at MG, BYD due to price and that was 2y ago
MG was cheaper but not really exciting then while BYD was exciting
MG3 or BYD would had been the choice if it had made sense $ wise.
I think the market has moved even further and BYD is now ahead.
Will see but the issue id not just Elon, it is a market place change

 

[mullokintyre]

Off interest, tesla sales fell 50% last month in China
Not good for Tesla and knowing chinese would not care about Elon, DOGE or roman salute plus are not brainwashed into MDS/TDS, it might indicate a fundamental issue with Tesla
IMHO, a lack of value vs BYD.
When looking at EV, i looked at MG, BYD due to price and that was 2y ago
MG was cheaper but not really exciting then while BYD was exciting
MG3 or BYD would had been the choice if it had made sense $ wise.
I think the market has moved even further and BYD is now ahead.
Will see but the issue id not just Elon, it is a market place change

perhaps one of the reasons Tesla sales in China dropped like stone.
This Video shows a driver in China in a Chinese made EV getting the entire battery swapped out in 4 minutes courtesy of a robot.
Not sure how it would scale up to millions of vehicles, but it obviously works.
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

I’m looking at the Model Y now. Deciding on the colour. I’ll sell the M3LR to a good mate for trade in value.

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My guess within 5 years, you will be getting it serviced at the BYD service centre, BYD will buy out Tesla cars IMO and I did say that a couple of years ago.

Time will tell.

 

[sptrawler]

perhaps one of the reasons Tesla sales in China dropped like stone.
This Video shows a driver in China in a Chinese made EV getting the entire battery swapped out in 4 minutes courtesy of a robot.
Not sure how it would scale up to millions of vehicles, but it obviously works.
Mick

Nio have been doing it for years, IMO makes perfect sense for a taxi fleet, or metropolitan truck delivery service Fed Ex, Australia post etc.

Even factories that use EV forklifts or inter factory transport, less vehicles and more batteries, or less batteries and more vehicles?

 

[Smurf1976]

Even factories that use EV forklifts or inter factory transport, less vehicles and more batteries, or less batteries and more vehicles?

The most extreme of the lot. Vehicles that don't go on public roads and which are simply driven around factories, warehouses, airports etc are the ultimate use case for EV's.

Short distance, no "middle of nowhere" charging issues and overcomes the problem of otherwise needing to obtain fuel.

 

[sptrawler]

The most extreme of the lot. Vehicles that don't go on public roads and which are simply driven around factories, warehouses, airports etc are the ultimate use case for EV's.

Short distance, no "middle of nowhere" charging issues and overcomes the problem of otherwise needing to obtain fuel.

Even police and ambulances,where they are working in specific high density areas, even if there is a catostrophic situation the vehicles are not off the road for charging,which is a big complaint from essential services with EV vehicles that need charging.

As we keep saying smurf, from our backgrounds nothing is ever black or white, right or wrong, it is usually a compromise which results in the best outcome.

 

[Value Collector]

perhaps one of the reasons Tesla sales in China dropped like stone.
This Video shows a driver in China in a Chinese made EV getting the entire battery swapped out in 4 minutes courtesy of a robot.
Not sure how it would scale up to millions of vehicles, but it obviously works.
Mick

Tesla toyed with the idea, and had a working robot doing it 11 years ago.

 

[sptrawler]

Tesla toyed with the idea, and had a working robot doing it 11 years ago.

F#ck knows how many Teslas will have been reverse engineered , or how many Chinese Tesla factories would have had thorough deep searches, to make sure they are not stealing Chinese intellectual property.

BYD will make an offer they can't refuse.

 

[JohnDe]

My guess within 5 years, you will be getting it serviced at the BYD service centre, BYD will buy out Tesla cars IMO and I did say that a couple of years ago.

Time will tell.

That’s an interesting theory you have there. I wonder what the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) would say.

 

[sptrawler]

That’s an interesting theory you have there. I wonder what the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) would say.

As long as they build them in the U.S, for the U.S, probably not much. The other thing that could happen,may be a counter bid by Ford or GM.
I just think Musk will move the company more toward IT, Starlink and Space X, mucking around with manufacturing cars is too messy and time consuming for minimal return.
Starlink, SpaceX and IT is high return, especially from military applications.

 

[divs4ever]

As long as they build them in the U.S, for the U.S, probably not much. The other thing that could happen,may be a counter bid by Ford or GM

would that be with available credit or government subsidy ??

GM and Ford have a long history of needing cash injections

 

[sptrawler]

would that be with available credit or government subsidy ??

GM and Ford have a long history of needing cash injections

Very possible, it keeps the intellectual property in the U.S and gives a U.S company a leg up against Chinese EV's