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Do we know how much one costs?
Might be tad out of my price point range.
mick
Might be tad out of my price point range.
mick
The second link goes to the BMW website.Do we know how much one costs?
Might be tad out of my price point range.
mick
Now this is a sick joke !!!!!
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Saw these in town today as we were stuck in traffic.
Cupra is part of the Seat group from Spain. 55k entry price.
mick
MickIs Norway's Love For EVs Enough To Put A Dent In Fuel Demand?
By Rystad Energy - Aug 28, 2023, 9:00 AM CDT
Road fuel demand in Norway has remained relatively stable even with soaring electric vehicle (EV) adoption, raising questions about whether EVs really have a material impact on diesel and gasoline sales. Rystad Energy research and modeling has, however, uncovered the truth behind the persistent sales – electrifying heavy-duty vehicles, especially trucks, is essential to lowering overall fuel consumption.
- Although EVs make up about 90% of all new car sales in Norway, fuel demand has only seen a 10% fall from 2017 to 2023, remaining relatively stable.
- Research reveals that the modest decline in road fuel is due to increased fuel usage by heavy-duty vehicles, negating the impact of EVs on fuel demand.
- The shift to BEVs needs to extend to buses and trucks for a significant decrease in fuel consumption, raising questions for countries following Norway's lead in EV adoption.
EVs are often positioned as the key to decarbonizing transportation, but the latest data from the Norwegian government suggests otherwise. Electric cars have accounted for at least 80% of all passenger vehicle sales for the past three years. EVs – including plug-in hybrid (PHEV) and battery electric vehicles (BEV) – accounted for about 90% of all new car sales in 2023. More than 50% of passenger cars on the road in Oslo are electric, a threshold that BEVs alone will pass 50% in the next two years.
Such an aggressive growth in EV sales should lead to a dramatic fall in fuel demand. But that is yet to materialize, and sales figures from Statistics Norway (SSB) show diesel and gasoline demand has declined only modestly since 2017. In the first half of 2023, road fuel sales hovered around 62,000 barrels per day (bpd), a 10% fall from the 70,000 bpd sold between 2017 and 2019, well after the EV boom started. Current consumption is relatively stable between 60,000 and 70,000 bpd, and a precipitous drop is not forecast in the near term.
Our research – which goes beyond the numbers reported by SSB – tells a different story. Our model considers the official fuel sales, annual average mileage by vehicle type and car sales as reported by SSB. It converts this raw data into estimated diesel and gasoline demand, factoring in the efficiency of individual vehicles as of 2022. The upshot of this is a crystal-clear image that road fuel demand from passenger cars has declined rapidly since 2016, falling more than 20%, in line with the BEV market penetration.
Recurrent Auto analyzed the data from over 12,500 Tesla vehicles in the United States.
One of the thoughts that go through the mind of an EV owner has to do with the impact that DC fast charging will have on the vehicle’s high-voltage battery in the long run. In other words, how much will the battery degrade over time if fast charging is used predominantly?
Well, according to a recent study from Recurring Auto that analyzed charging data from over 12,500 Tesla vehicles in the United States, the rate of range degradation is statistically similar when compared to AC charging.
The company, which provides vehicle and battery analysis reports for EVs, compared cars that fast charge at least 90 percent of the time to cars that fast charge less than 10 percent of the time, and the results show little to no difference between the two charging methods.
The charts below show the percentage of the original range as shown on the cars’ dashboards – in this case, the Tesla Model 3 and Tesla Model Y – and the number of days.
Choosing between DC over AC isn’t the only thing that can affect the battery in the long run, with factors such as extreme temperatures and very low or very high states of charge also playing a big role in the big scheme of things.
Tesla Model Y DC vs. AC charging battery degradation chart
Tesla Model 3 DC vs. AC charging battery degradation chart
However, as Recurrent’s results show, the robust thermal, voltage, and battery management systems that EV makers have invested in do protect their batteries from damage with routine fast charger use.
To help the battery last as long as possible, using the preconditioning feature is of utmost importance, both in extreme heat and in extreme cold, as this brings the cells to the optimal temperature before plugging in the charging connector. Another tip is to avoid fast charging at very low states or very high states of charge, as battery resistance is higher at these levels and puts additional stress on the battery.
Another study from 2020 found that battery-powered vehicles, including EVs and PHEVs, encountered battery degradation anywhere from zero percent to 4.1 percent in the first year, with the best-performing model being the 2019 Chevrolet Bolt EV and the worst being the 2019 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV.
Wow. They appear to be thinking at a much higher level than the other automobile manufacturers.tesla have opened another ~30 Supercharger sites to non Tesla EVs in Australia today.
They're hardly cheap at $0.78c/kWh, but at least it's another option for charging View attachment 161629
Just download the Tesla app, create an account, and see the "Charge your Non-Tesla" button.
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Given the cost of eletricity, Tesla is making a good markup here.
Maybe they should forgt about making cars and just install chargers.
Mick
and think of the tax revenue lost ( at Federal and state level )That is the aim.no wealth : no car
do not worry they will get the taxes back as carbon tax on you breathingand think of the tax revenue lost ( at Federal and state level )
but they did it to themselves , i have empathy for people like that
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