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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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There There reported incidents of such events with mobile phones etc. e.g. I recall warnings not to put the phone under a pillow because someone managed to start a fire that way.

Researching futher with regards to my own setup.... Holy Mary, mother of Jesus!! I have got to change things Pronto!
 
JohnDe said:
I'm wondering what the difference is of EV batteries that goes 'into thermal runaway' and the batteries in mobile phones, laptops, portable vacuum cleaners, which are all transported in bulk surrounded in plastic components and packaging.
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Scale and ability to deal with it.

If a small electronic device starts emitting smoke well then pick it up, put it outside and it can burn harmlessly. Throw it out the window if it's really urgent but point is, if someone's aware of the problem then relocating the device itself is achievable.

Plus the scale of damage. Even if the battery does burn, the scale of smoke and heat produced mostly isn't going to cause any real damage to either humans or property as long as it doesn't set anything else on fire. If it's just the phone itself burning, that's not a lot of heat and the smoke will readily disperse to safe levels.

Versus an EV where the battery's an order of magnitude larger and it's impractical to relocate once it's burning. Far more chance it's somewhere problematic.

Comparing the scale, well an iPhone battery is about 12Wh whereas a Tesla Model 3 battery is 50,000 to 82,000 Wh depending on model variant. So an order of magnitude scale difference.

at size.
 
Wayne If not even faster !!!!
 
Well then Mr Smurf size does matter!!!!
 

Have you seen how those electronic devices are transported from the source country? We’re talking about thousands of devices packed together, not only phones but scooters, vacuum cleaners, torches, laptops. All stacked wide & high.

Do you remember when Samsung phones were exploding? Airlines banned passengers with them. Imagine a container of that.

Why is the difference?
 
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i wonder if that will apply if the owner of said vehicle is charging from a home solar supply , or home battery storage?
Will they still be able to turn it off?
Mick
 
I have a full lithium battery setup for the house and this is not something I forget.
Another reason I am far less tempted by an EV than I was 2 y ago.
Batteries in a dynamic (car) environment are subjected to vibrations, shocks, thermal and moisture exposures far far worse than static, in a garage.

This lithium battery option for EV is really not the solution..even if lithium was plentiful..which it is not.
I wonder how long it will take for this truth to be acknowledged
And when you think we could all run on Syngas for the same price or supposed effect on warming the planet.lol..or scarcity/pollution of oil.?.but
no wa.ker showing off 0 to 60 at the traffic lights in his Tesla when you can use Syngas in a 12y old second hand Toyota bought for $5k..ahh well with EV you'll queue at the recharge station but not on the traffic free roads...
 


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Conversely, some cons come with the idea of synthetic fuels. The most apparent being that synthetic fuels are not as sustainable as green alternatives. A battery can be recharged through renewable sources, such as solar panels and wind turbines. Fuels will never have that options.​
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Another natural problem with synthetic fuels would be the supply. Currently, there is simply no way that supply could meet demand. Assuming every person in the US switched to synthetic fuels, they would need around 45-50 billion liters – a year. Meanwhile, the production output for one synthetic fuel company is only projected to be about 55 million liters a year. The numbers do not match up.​
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Finally, it all comes back around to sustainability. Could the industry keep up production long-term? That’s an excellent question. A lot of energy goes into making synthetic fuels – arguably as much as, if not more than, what it would take to charge a battery. Likewise, it does take base materials to create, which have efficiency concerns. ​
 
If a container does go up, one mighty big explosion.
 
A changing automotive industry is coming fast -





Companies that make parts for internal combustion engines are facing a harsh future. Revenues for ICE cars, and fuel and exhaust systems are all expected to decline 44% through 2027. Meanwhile, for electric drivetrains and batteries or fuel cells, revenues are expected to rise 245%, according to a 2023 Deloitte Automotive Supplier Study. While the parts themselves are changing, the pie is also shrinking. An internal combustion powertrain has about 2,000 parts. EV powertrains have about 20, sometimes less. Automakers are also finding ways to more efficiently manufacture parts through methods like giga casting, pioneered by Tesla. There are thousands of parts in cars that come from companies all over the world, a whole branching supply chain of firms each dependent on the success of the others. Many of those companies are small, family owned firms, but even the large, publicly traded suppliers such as Bosch, Denso, Magna and ZF could be in trouble. The question is, will EVs kill the thousands of auto suppliers or can they find ways to pivot, consolidate or somehow stay in business?​

 
absolutely everything in the con can be said for electrics...point by point, but at least we do not need new cars ..not insignificant...
 
not sure what is true or not, I know of similar cemeteries in France for EV sharing cars
So put that to china scale and yeap would be same same


The real issue there and that is the issue with EVs is that the market is deformed by government subsidies so taxpayers are actually paying for the privilege of soon being unable to have a mean of transport .
Tesla is mostly paid (or at least was until very recently) by the the taxes (via Ford and GM, etc credits) on hardworking poorer americans who will never be able to replace their ICE with EVs.
That is a political view: capitalism vsa planned economy(communism in case people are short memory)
Socialism was supposed to merge both capitalism and some communism, but what we actually see is a move from capitalism to socialism via a globalist supra national clique.: the worst of both capitalism and communism..both economically and politically
 
mullokintyre said:
BYD has overtaken Volkswagen as the biggest seller of vehicles for the first quarter of 2023.

Interesting that they do not plan to sell cars into the US market.
AS inscrutable as ever.
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BYD is preparing the groundwork before entering the US market. Tesla is too dominant at the moment.

"BYD Co. doesn't have any current plans to enter the U.S. passenger car market, founder Wang Chuanfu said, throwing cold water on the prospect of the Chinese electric-vehicle maker challenging Tesla Inc. in its home market — for now.​
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"BYD stopped producing cars powered entirely by fossil fuels last year."​

 
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Not an electric Car, but an electric ship.
From Evil Murdoch Press
 
How big is BYD ? Try 5 million electric vehicles. Only Tesla gets anywhere close.

BYD production snowballs as it celebrates rolling five millionth plug-in EV off the assembly line​


... BYD’s production ramp up outpaces… well, everyone​


BYD Auto’s five millionth new energy vehicle to roll off its assembly lines in China was an N7 SUV from its Denza sub-brand (seen above). As it proclaims itself as the first global automaker to reach five million NEVs (BEVs and plug-in hybrids), BYD has a lot to celebrate – but a more impressive statistic is how quickly the manufacturer got here.


The company points out that it took 13 years to reach one million NEVs produced, but here’s where things get interesting. From there, it only took BYD Auto another 18 months to reach three million, then another 9 months from there to reach five million, helping garner over $1.86 million in sales last year. (that figure cannot be correct. Must be a typo)

BYD production snowballs as it celebrates rolling five millionth plug-in EV off the assembly line

While some EV automaker’s are working to deliver EV numbers in the tens of thousands, China’s Build Your Dreams (BYD)...
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For those who want luxury and protection.

Check out this bulletproof electric luxury sedan from BMW, the i7 Protection​


Peter Johnson | Aug 9 2023 - 7:21 am PT

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BMW unveiled its first bulletproof electric sedan this week, the BMW i7 Protection, as the automaker expands its emission-free models into new segments.

Meet BMW’s first bulletproof electric luxury sedan​

BMW has been building protection vehicles for over 45 years, but the i7 Protection marks a new milestone.

After releasing its first electric 7 series, the i7, last April, BMW’s latest creation goes beyond emission-free luxury travel.
The BWW i7 Protection is the German automaker’s first all-electric model in its protection category. The protection EV consists of a dedicated self-supporting body structure built with armor steel. Then, additional features are added, such as armoring for the underbody and roof and armored glass.

BMW’s armored EV offers customized protection from firearms and explosives. The BMW i7 Protection features class VR9 protection based on the official test criteria from Germany’s Association of Test Laboratories for Attack-Resistant Materials and Constructions (VPAM).

The certification is established according to guidelines for Bullet Resistant Vehicles, encompassing criteria for ballistic resistance along with adhering to the guidelines for Explosive Resistant Vehicles and PAS 300 for blast resistance.

Check out this bulletproof electric luxury sedan from BMW, the i7 Protection

BMW unveiled its first bulletproof electric sedan this week, the BMW i7 Protection, as the automaker expands its emission-free models...
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The first-ever BMW i7 Protection, the new BMW 7 Series Protection.

The two models developed on the basis of the new BMW 7 Series succeed in blending an unrivalled protection concept with outstanding levels of ride comfort and spaciousness, exceptionally advanced equipment features and the class-beating dynamic prowess for which the brand is renowned. As the...
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