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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
When I owned a petrol car I could refuel at Costco unless I was a Costco member, and I can’t charge at Porsche charging stations.

Any company that is operating a for profit charging network will want as many cars as possible stopping there, so will definitely allow teslas to stop and charge.

The only reason we are even having this conversation is because Tesla has built the best charging network, while all the other companies have left their customers hanging.

Until the other companies have a charging network that they can open up to Tesla customers as a swap, Tesla doesn’t have any reason to make a deal.
 
Should Telstra be able to only allow access to people who buy Telstra phones, should Optus be allowed to only allow access to people who buy an optus phone?
 
But that doesn't work the other way round, right ?
No, if Tesla is operating a network as a service for their customers, it’s the customer experience they want, not high levels of usage, if the Tesla chargers get clogged up with Hyundais and toyotas it lowers the customer experience for the Tesla owners.

And if Tesla owners are paying extra for their cars because they want a higher end experience, it’s silly to lower that customer experience.
 
So on that reasoning, if a company buys out a hotel chain that has the best regional Australia coverage and there is no other accommodation, can they force tourists to buy shares in the company to avail themselves of the hotel chain.
If they don't, they can't stay in the hotel.?
 
The Tesla people and tourists can use the public infrastructure, if the Tesla one is busy, as happens now.
People who buy a second hand Tesla haven't paid for the Tesla network, so that one is a bit rich. ?
 
Maybe, but remember Tesla built the charging network from scratch themselves, they didn’t take it over.

So the correct question should be, “Can a company build a nation wide hotel chain from scratch but only open it to their members?”

I think the answer would be yes, they would be allowed to operate that way.
 
The Tesla people and tourists can use the public infrastructure, if the Tesla one is busy, as happens now. People who buy a second hand Tesla haven't paid for the Tesla network, so that one is a bit rich. ?
Just like Qantas club members can use the food court if the Qantas lounge is full.(but why should Qantas club members be forced into the food court because the lounge is full of virgin customers)

(Both New and second hand Teslas sell for more because of the full Tesla experience which includes the charging network, as well as the self driving functions)
 
Very doubtful IMO, even so Tesla isn't offering membership, they are demanding you buy their product, eg the hotel would be asking that you buy shares not pay a membership.
Like I said it would be like Telstra demanding you purchase a Telstra phone to use their network, not allowed.
 
There are clubs like that, like part ownership in private planes, part ownership in time share apartments, vacation clubs etc.
 
"It cost Tesla a lot of money to do this, cash that Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk raised through means sketchy or not: selling huge numbers of cars, boosting Tesla’s stock price with false promises about future products, selling features like “Full Self Driving” for $15,000 that aren’t full self-driving. The result is a unified system in which the ultimate responsibility for charger reliability sits with Tesla."

 
Like I said it would be like Telstra demanding you purchase a Telstra phone to use their network, not allowed.

Or signing a contract for a Telstra internet bundle and not being able to use the Telstra supplied modem with another provider?
 
Or signing a contract for a Telstra internet bundle and not being able to use the Telstra supplied modem with another provider?
No the analogy is joining Telstra, getting their modem and being able to use other providers, but no other providers being able to use Telstras.
 
Disney Vacation club, hotels that are only open to members.

So if Im a member and I pass away, the kids keep the membership?
If I pass on tbe Tesla, the next person gets the membership, yet havent paid for it.
How much was the cost of membership, apportioned on the Tesla purchase contract?
 
There are clubs like that, like part ownership in private planes, part ownership in time share apartments, vacation clubs etc.

We all pay for electricity infrastructure, generators, poles and wires etc, but Tesla is claiming exclusive use of some of it.

Anyway, we'll see if this plays out in the ACCC as anti competitive behaviour.
 
No the analogy is joining Telstra, getting their modem and being able to use other providers, but no other providers being able to use Telstras.

But why can't I use the Telstra modem with other providers?
 
But why can't I use the Telstra modem with other providers?
Because they run different frequencies and there is no need to put frequencies in that your system doesnt operate on.
A bit like if Teslas had a charging system that was Tesla specific and it wasnt a universal system, so Teslas can only charge on a Tesla system then their wouldnt be a problem.
But it doesnt it is a universal system that Tesla is refusing access.
Like I said, they could charge a membership for non Tesla owners.
It will be interesting.
 
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