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Tesla Model Y first in line for CATL's superior M3P phosphate battery with longer range
The Model Y is first in line for CATL's new M3P battery (image: Tesla)
The mysterious new Tesla order to the world's largest electric vehicle battery manufacturer CATL turned out to be not of its novel Kirin batteries, but of LFP packs. Not your regular LFP battery, though, rather a greatly improved chemistry with higher density slated for the Model Y.
Daniel Zlatev, 08/03/2022
E-Mobility
The world's largest EV battery maker CATL recently announced a novel Kirin batterytechnology that allows for higher energy density than Tesla's 4680 battery cells in the same footprint. It then became clear that Tesla has ordered CATL a new type of battery than the LFP ones it already supplies for the Model 3 units made in the Shanghai Gigafactory.
Bets at the time were that Tesla might have ordered the 4680-style cells, despite that it now counts LG and Samsung among its suppliers for them, besides the original partner in the battery's development Panasonic. Now, however, local media is reporting that CATL will be selling Tesla its even more novel, M3P battery technology. It is similar to the improved LFP battery chemistry with added manganese, the so-called LMFP packs, but CATL insists that its technology is different and proprietary.
GAC, the maker of the first 620-mile range electric SUV announced - the Aion LX+ - already outed its own take on the manganese LFP technology, what it calls the SmLFP battery. It can charge up to twice faster than the LFP packs that Tesla now puts in its Model 3 and Model Y vehicles and has higher energy density, as well as better capacity retention in cold weather climates.
While little is known about CATL's exact M3P battery specs, insider sources have revealed that the cells have higher energy density than LMFP batteries while providing similar longevity and charging speed improvements.
To top it all off, their production costs are on par with the LFP chemistry while CATL calls them "ternary lithium battery of the phosphate chemistry system" as it doesn't just replace iron with manganese at places, but also throws other metals like zinc or aluminum into the mix. As a result, "the energy density of M3P batteries is about 15% higher than that of lithium iron phosphate batteries, reaching 210 Wh/kg, and the cost is comparable to that of LFP batteries," tip insiders.
CATL will be shipping its new M3P lithium-phosphate battery to Tesla for a 72 kWh Model Y pack in Q4 and will start its mass production the following quarter, claims the report. The Model Y with CATL's new M3P battery is thus slated to release in early 2023. Interestingly, CATL's chief scientist said while announcing the M3P battery technology that it will be aimed at vehicles with 700km (435-mile) range. That's higher than what the current Standard Range Model Y offers with a "regular" LFP battery, so it remains to be heard if Tesla will also announce a longer range of its cheapest Model Y version with the new M3P battery as it nears release.
Hyundai will not takeover the Tesla until they stop pissing off their customers and potential customers.Hyundai Ionic 6 could be a rival for Tesla Model 3.
Hyundai IONIQ 6 | Eco | Hyundai Australia
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You can sit through a bit of a rant or go to the 18 minute mark for a teaser on the Ionic6.
That’s good news, but it won’t be soon enough for some. “Screw you guys, I’ll build my own electric car,” joked one reader in a note to The Driven.Regional drivers unhappy with Ioniq 5 sales process
The Driven has heard from several readers unhappy with the sales process, which requires drivers to enter their residential postcode before ordering. They say that to complete the order process, their driver’s licence address must now match the delivery address.
As The Driven reported in May, some drivers said they had fudged details in earlier “drops” to get around the location restrictions.
A letter sent on Wednesday to awaiting potential customers and sighted by The Driven said: “With unprecedented demand remaining high across the country for this award-winning sell-out. We expect that delivery could take from 2 weeks up to 6 months or more depending on your vehicle’s production status.”
And while a missive from Hyundai Australia said that the Ioniq 5 is available in all states and territories except NT, the letter also said: “Currently available in major capital cities, you’ll need to select one of the below as your preferred delivery partner when placing an order.”
Some readers have described the sales process – which has consistently seen the very limited number of cars sell out within minutes – as a chook raffle.
The Driven reached out to Hyundai Australia to confirm when and if the Ioniq 5 will be offered to regional buyers. A spokesperson replie din a note to The Driven: “With extremely limited supply of Ioniq 5, and demand still remaining very high, we will continue to limit sales to metropolitan areas through necessity.
“However, as supply frees up we have plans to expand our sales process to regional areas, but the timing for this expansion is yet to be confirmed.”
All that CO2 CC BS could quickly go down in flame, once people are starving, wo water and power and unemployed.As we've said in the past, it really doesn't matter what Australia does regards emissions or banning cars, the major car makers are not going to keep making cars just for us.
If the E.U bans ICE cars, or makes emission standards too hard to attain, the automakers will just stop making them. So E.V's will be the only choice anyway, the only options will be wait time, from the various manufacturers as demand exceeds production capacity.
There may not be another Volkswagen Golf – one of Europe’s best-selling cars – if new emissions regulations prove too expensive to meet, too soon.Next-generation Volkswagen Golf in doubt – report
The costs and timing of new emissions regulations may kill plans for a next-generation Volkswagen Golf, due in 2027. There may not be another Volkswagenwww.drive.com.au
Speaking to German publication Welt, new Volkswagen CEO Thomas Schafer said a decision will be made on whether to develop a ninth-generation Golf within the next 12 months.
“We will have to see whether it is worth developing a new vehicle that does not last the full seven or eight years [before emissions regulations force a switch to electric power],” said Schafer.
Which is less than what a sparky will charge you to come and look at your fuse box or quote a switch change.Wife and I just did a trip down to Albany, shocking weather, filled up and reset the odo, 636klm used 60 litres cost $115.
But it is a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is big and heavy. Lol
Wife and I just did a trip down to Albany, shocking weather, filled up and reset the odo, 636klm used 60 litres cost $115.
But it is a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is big and heavy. Lol
Hopefully nothing, because by then I'm ever hopeful the electric Kona long range will have arrived.How much will the next service cost? Oil & filters.
Hopefully nothing, because by then I'm ever hopeful the electric Kona long range will have arrived.
March 1st.How long have you been waiting ?
First 6 months nearly gone, only 2 to go .March 1st.
I hope by then you will have received your first EV?Hopefully nothing, because by then I'm ever hopeful the electric Kona long range will have arrived.
No just vague ETA's that move out, as the months pass.I hope by then you will have received your first EV?
Any expected delivery date?
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