JohnDe
La dolce vita
- Joined
- 11 March 2020
- Posts
- 4,422
- Reactions
- 6,461
Are you saying that each electrical component in your caravan is running constantly for all 24 hours of the day, nothing cycles, lights don't get turned off for bed?
Caravan power usage depends on many things.
Do they run a compressor fridge versus a 3 way evapourator fridge, and what size is it, do they run a 240 Volt inverter for coffee machines or toasters or kettle. Do they have a small electric heater to keep warm, do they have electric hot water heaters, how often do they run their water pump, do they have an onboard microwave or washing machine.
Although I don't constantly monitor them, none of these are static.
Mick
With most of the new pick up truck models coming with power points in the back, I can see a situation where caravans are plugged directly into the back of the vehicle, and the vehicle is plugged into what ever power source you have (eg power point/generator) then the vehicles just takes 100% of available power minus what ever usage happens as equipment switches on and off.Are you saying that each electrical component in your caravan is running constantly for all 24 hours of the day, nothing cycles, lights don't get turned off for bed?
No I did not say that, what I said is that there is almost always some load on the system, just as the solar panels are not charging at full capacity all the time (indeed for half the 24 hour period they do not charge at all).Are you saying that each electrical component in your caravan is running constantly for all 24 hours of the day, nothing cycles, lights don't get turned off for bed?
why do I only need stops for drinks or bathroom with the Ranger?I think you are missing your point here, picking up 50% charge is still alot better than your ranger, which sits at the caravan park not having its diesel tank recharged, the Ev doesn't require more stops, just the timing of the stops changes a bit, and most charging is picked up when you are doing other things like sleeping, eating or peeing.
Think back to your original argument.
You pointed out that the EV had to stop and charge during the trip, which would be "inconvenient", but what you are failing to see is that your ranger would need more stops.
Ranger Stops for 400km trip.
1, Refuel before or at beginning of trip (to get to 100%)
2, Refuel towards end or after trip.
3, maybe another stop for drinks or bathroom.
The Ranger with a full tank normally gets around 10l per 100K, giving a nominal range of 800km.EV stops for 400km trip.
(starts full)
1, Recharge once some where along route during a drinks or bathroom break.
(arrives destination with 50%, charges at destination)
Same thing on return trip, say the Ev leaves with 80% having picked up 30% over night, it charges once on way back, then charges at home.
why do I only need stops for drinks or bathroom with the Ranger?
Do EV's let you pee in the console?
Hence why we accounted for a recharge at some point through there trip, which should leave you with 40% or 50% at destination.The Ranger with a full tank normally gets around 10l per 100K, giving a nominal range of 800km.
Towing the van with 17 l per 100k, gives a nominal range of 470km, but no one drives a diesel to empty, so we establish 400 kms as a maximum between fillups.
We have already established that the Rivian EV towing the same van will not get 400 KMS ands still have 50% charge.
Either you use all 100% charge to get 400k's, or you only travel 200ks to have 50% battery left, and even that is being generous.
And as I tried to point out, nine times out of ten we will be stopped overnight where there is no 10 or 15 amp plus for 300 kms.
Do have anything to back up that statement?Yeah, but that is not how most people caravan
You seem to think that all caravan trips are out to a point and back.and if you are 300km away from a petrol station thats a 600km round trip, your 400km of range is going not going to get you back to the petrol station either, so you will need about 3 jerry cans of diesel to be safe, again I am not sure most people are caravanning like that, but as pointed out if you like to extreme van you could use a generator, or just stick to diesel, no one is forcing you to go EV.
Do have anything to back up that statement?
I do have at least 25k miles towing various vans, and I can tell you there are huge numbers of people travelling off grid who only go into caravan parks to top up their water tanks or do their washing.
And if they cpold get water from a town tap, they won't even go into a caravan park.
No, I said "most" not "all", and it doesn't have to be to a point and back, you can travel from park to park, and as I said along the most popular routes their will be chargers any way, just as the most popular routes have petrol stations.You seem to think that all caravan trips are out to a point and back.
No issue with long trips with Ev's, as pointed out you just stop to charge when needed, and maybe supplement with destination charging where available,Most caravaners are doing longer trips ,
You drive from point to point limited by range, people don't drive back to where their last fuel stop was.
If you are 300km away from a petrol station,
.Same with an EV, but you said your nearest electricity was 300km from your camp site, so I assumed your nearest petrol station was equally as far, considering petrol stations require electricity too, so was pointing out your 400km range probably won't get you there either.its because the petrol station is likley ahead of you, not behind
sorry mate, I doubt you have ever towed a box trailer to the trip, much less an off road van.
Mick
Look I don't wish to be rude, but you obviously have no experience in caravaning, so your statements about what the majority of caravaners may or may not do is way off the mark.Just that caravan parks will tend to pop up along the most popular routes and destinations, I have no doubt that lots of people do what you describe but I don't think most people (over 50%) are regularly doing it.
I had a look at Plugshare , one of the aps that show where you can charge your EV.No, I said "most" not "all", and it doesn't have to be to a point and back, you can travel from park to park, and as I said along the most popular routes their will be chargers any way, just as the most popular routes have petrol stations.
There is not a lot of places that have more than 300 kms between diesel stops, but that does not mean you can charge an EV.No issue with long trips with Ev's, as pointed out you just stop to charge when needed, and maybe supplement with destination charging where available,
.Same with an EV, but you said your nearest electricity was 300km from your camp site, so I assumed your nearest petrol station was equally as far, considering petrol stations require electricity too, so was pointing out your 400km range probably won't get you there either.
Yeah, I guess towing a 105 pound artillery gun is a good introduction to towing and living in a caravan.Actually I did quite a lot of towing during my time in the army.
Although I have never towed a caravan, I have Towed a 105 Artillery Gun off road and other weird and wonderful things
Look I don't wish to be rude, but you obviously have no experience in caravaning, so your statements about what the majority of caravaners may or may not do is way off the mark.
I would say there are more pubs in outback Australia that allow you to camp overnight than there are caravan parks.
Have a look at aps like Wkiki camps, Hema Maps, Australia Free camps or maps with me.
There are far more "free" camping spots in Australia than caravan parks.
I had a look at Plugshare , one of the aps that show where you can charge your EV.
There are huge gaps throughout most of WA, western Queensland and western NSW.
You could probably travel from Port Douglas all the way along the coast to perth with enough charging stations to make it.
But then I would stay in motels if I was doing that trip, not tow a hefty van behind me.
But you would not get from Birdsville to Mount Isa, an 800 km trip with no chargers in between.
But there are probably ten diesel outlets along that route.
There is not a lot of places that have more than 300 kms between diesel stops, but that does not mean you can charge an EV.
There are numerous card only non manned fuel depots we have used that have no other facilites.
Yeah, I guess towing a 105 pound artillery gun is a good introduction to towing and living in a caravan.
Mick
The normal method of installation is on an external wall.I thought this was already the case?
I wouldn't be sticking them inside or attached.
Mick I don't know how big the battery is in the Rivian, but it will take a long time to charge on 3Kw generator, think approx the same as a 10amp home socket.As to carting a 3.5 kva generator around to charge up batteries when I could just as easily pour it into my cars fuel tank and just keep travelling, i am afraid it makes no sense.
Mick
I am not talking about charging 0% to 100% routinely, just topping up those extra 10% or so when mick wantto do his extreme camping trip.Mick I don't know how big the battery is in the Rivian, but it will take a long time to charge on 3Kw generator, think approx the same as a 10amp home socket.
Then think of everyone in the middle off nowhere, telling the vanker with the Kedron, to turn their fffing generator off. ?
I agree with both of you, I have crossed Australia by most routes, so I can understand Mick's point of view.I am not talking about charging 0% to 100% routinely, just topping up those extra 10% or so when mick wantto do his extreme camping trip.
you would only need enough extra charge to get to your next charger, which Mick also said with diesel is rarely ever more than 300km, and there fore eventually will be the same with ev charging as it grows in popularity.
but as I pointed out, remote charging locations for Evs that are powered using solar and batteries, can actually make a lot more sense practically and economically than transporting diesel across the world and out to remote locations, even if you had to have a back up diesel generator in case it’s cloudy for a week, you could still reduce the need for fuel trucks by over 90% I reckon.
Indeed - it doesn't have to be perfect, just needs to be better than what we've got at present.you could still reduce the need for fuel trucks by over 90% I reckon
They are principally city cars and not much different to Minis, Fiat 500s, Kia Picantos and Suzuki Swifts in size, and millions of these have been on the roads for ages.How do you reckon these things are going to handle getting t boned by one of the 5 million hi luxe's on the road
They will handle it better than motorcycle but worse than a motor coachHow do you reckon these things are going to handle getting t boned by one of the 5 million hi luxe's on the road
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?