Are they?Note, new curfews. Again letting the virus run means destruction of the economy. the USA economy has really suffered and its not going away.
Israel is in big trouble and there are some very angry business people upset with the government for letting it get out of control.
Now going back into full lockdown. People are furious the government took so long to act and now complete shutdown.
'Atmosphere of rebellion': Israel orders a second virus lockdown many have vowed to ignore
Israel is the first country to order a second, nationwide coronavirus lockdown. But with protesters filling the streets, Government ministers openly revolting and businesses vowing to keep trading, authorities fear a rebellion.www.abc.net.au
Many other nation states that let the virus run are now putting up restrictions.
It always spreads among the youth first then into the general populace and combined with the two week lag befor death the government always seem to leave it too late. France will be next.
Some good news today, no deaths in Victoria. So all those people who would have died anyway are still alive
We are talking economic damage.Are they?
Does this country knows you can actually die from other cause than covid?
We are talking economic damage.
The effect of letting it run causes economic damage. Didn't mention deaths except as an aside in Victoria with a wink. Just a side effect.
Israel were a success, then they let it run. Now look at them, a basket case.
Israel is yet another example of the trend we are increasingly seeing as time goes on. Some of us were saying it from the start and most of those who demanded that it wasn't the case are still digging their heels in, but take a look at your own example here.
Lockdowns are only expensive ways to kick the can down the road before getting hit anyway. Whether or not you think the deaths are the cause of the economic damage, you can see that Israel put work into avoiding the virus spreading, then... it happened anyway.
You can not lock down forever because it is economically (as well as socially etc) devastating. The virus exists. The virus will not be eliminated. Lockdown only works while you're locked down. Eventually you need to come out of lockdown. When you do, you're out of lockdown, and it's just a matter of time before whatever would have happened without lockdown will happen, because you're not in lockdown. The damage of the virus (however extreme you do or don't consider it to be) will come anyway, it's just a question of how soon you want to get through it and how much damage you want to cause in the mean time. If the world took a Sweden approach, we'd already be through it and the whole world would be getting on with normal life. Sweden is still there, it's not like they had half the population die or anything (or 5% or 0.5%, or 0.00005% of the people who would have otherwise been not old and not dying anyway). Sweden has had a negligible death rate, even if you count all Swedes who die with the virus as having died of the virus, even if they were asymptomatic. Inevitably, the world needs to get back on its feet, we're just causing harm (economic along with other harm) delaying this process.
To put Sweden's number of virus deaths (around 6,000) into context, close to 60,000 people in Sweden have died this year, about the same number as last year or the year before. About 10% of the people who died this year had the virus at the time. Most would have died this year without the virus.
People are acting like 6,000 old and sick people dying is some sort of unprecedented tragedy, ignoring the fact that these were mostly going to be among the approximately 90,000 people who die each year in Sweden even if they never caught the virus.
The numbers are there, extremely clear now, and anyone who bothers to look can see them.
I think the maximum suppression strategy is a path to economic suicide. I am not saying to let the virus go out of control; rather that we should suppress the virus relative to our health care/system capacity until we get a vaccine or the virus becomes endemic.
Even if we get a vaccine, I probably won't take it because I am only 36.
AGE | Number of Deaths | Share of deaths | With underlying conditions | Without underlying conditions | Unknown if with underlying cond. | Share of deaths of unknown + w/o cond. |
0 - 17 years old | 9 | 0.06% | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0.02% |
18 - 44 years old | 601 | 3.9% | 476 | 17 | 108 | 0.8% |
45 - 64 years old | 3,413 | 22.4% | 2,851 | 72 | 490 | 3.7% |
65 - 74 years old | 3,788 | 24.9% | 2,801 | 5 | 982 | 6.5% |
75+ years old | 7,419 | 48.7% | 5,236 | 2 | 2,181 | 14.3% |
TOTAL | 15,230 | 100% | 11,370 (75%) | 99 (0.7%) | 1,551 (24.7%) | 25.3% |
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Here are your odds (from New York death results) as of May 13. Obviously pretty good. One within those rare 30 year old range deaths was the male Broadway star with a young family who succumbed with no underlying issues (posted previously). Can't help bad luck.
Number of Deaths Share of deaths With underlying conditions Without underlying conditions Unknown if with underlying cond. Share of deaths
of unknown + w/o cond.
GREAT WORKHere are your odds (from New York death results) as of May 13. Obviously pretty good. One within those rare 30 year old range deaths was the male Broadway star with a young family who succumbed with no underlying issues (posted previously). Can't help bad luck.
Number of Deaths Share of deaths With underlying conditions Without underlying conditions Unknown if with underlying cond. Share of deaths
of unknown + w/o cond.
265 Australian economists back suppression of covid before economic considerations.
Open letter from 265 Australian economists: don’t sacrifice health for ‘the economy’
Leading Australian economists in four countries have signed an open letter calling on the national cabinet to think carefully before easing restrictions ‘for the sake of 'the economy’.theconversation.com
Simply put, the world has gone mad.
Too much information in the hands of idiots is dangerous.
The economic impact of poor decisions is going to be large.
GREAT WORK
For the ages of 75+ with no known underlying conditions, it would be interesting to explore this further, if the data was available, ie autopsies. Somehow I think at least 50% of this group with no underlying conditions would have underlying conditions.
If the world took a Sweden approach, we'd already be through it and the whole world would be getting on with normal life. Sweden is still there, it's not like they had half the population die or anything (or 5% or 0.5%, or 0.00005% of the people who would have otherwise been not old and not dying anyway). Sweden has had a negligible death rate, even if you count all Swedes who die with the virus as having died of the virus, even if they were asymptomatic. Inevitably, the world needs to get back on its feet, we're just causing harm (economic along with other harm) delaying this process.
To put Sweden's number of virus deaths (around 6,000) into context, close to 60,000 people in Sweden have died this year, about the same number as last year or the year before. About 10% of the people who died this year had the virus at the time. Most would have died this year without the virus.
People are acting like 6,000 old and sick people dying is some sort of unprecedented tragedy, ignoring the fact that these were mostly going to be among the approximately 90,000 people who die each year in Sweden even if they never caught the virus.
The numbers are there, extremely clear now, and anyone who bothers to look can see them.
I bet my bottom dollar, if you remove all the state and fed stimulus from Oz, our GDP hit would be even larger.
Of course it would have been, that's what the stimulus was for !
@Junior, while you may be correct, Sweden has taken a hit to GDP, they are almost through it.
But a GDP figure cannot be looked in isolation.
How much did their govnuts stimulate the economy this year.
I bet my bottom dollar, if you remove all the state and fed stimulus from Oz, our GDP hit would be even larger.
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