Dona Ferentes
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every so often, if I want a giggle, here I am.
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read 3 or 4 days worth
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read 3 or 4 days worth
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Bye
Agreed, it is all about the sentiment that drives markets.You (and many others) are saying we should just let it spread to reduce the impact on the economy. (That is the narrative). Simplified, but not factually correct.
It hasn't worked.
Brazil has had to cut its iron output, USA is a mess, while most of Australia is doing pretty good except for Victoria due to government stuff ups. South Korea's economy, Norway, Taiwan,etc. all going strong.
Really, the tired is still in, if you think everything is okay, let's get rid of jobkeep and jobseeker, let's see how say QLD is going without tourism. You are making a call way to early.
A vaccine is looking closer so it looks like the countries that have treated it seriously are going to do a lot better. Better economies, better after effects (little post Covid syndrome).
There is a difference between looking closer, has been achieved and then is effective.
It doesn't matter how deadly it is in the end, what matters is peoples reactions and if they are too scared, the effect is the same.
Sure if people want to accept facts.
The economic consequences of the Trump/USA approach to covid is a 32% reduction in GDP.
The economic consequences of Australia's approach is 10% reduction in GDP over the same period (links in a previous post).
Where would you rather live ?
Your argument makes sense only if you're seeing that some level of virus, lockdowns and so on is a desirable thing.
My argument is based upon having zero of either.
Had we shut the borders when the problem first became apparent overseas, the challenge faced by Melbourne and Sydney would have been no greater than the problem dealt with in remote areas. No cases, just don't let any in, done.
Once we brought the virus into the country, that's when lockdowns etc became necessary to try and control it but you don't need any of that if you don't have a virus here in the first place.
Given the problem was known to exist overseas, that was the time to shut the borders and implement proper quarantine for any returning residents. Instead we still had flights and cruise ships arriving even as the problem was headline news.
Once the virus was in the community, that's comparable to the first spark which leads to the bushfire. That's the point where the nightmare begins and it's the point you ideally want to avoid if at all possible. Perhaps it may already have been too late at that point but it's at least plausible that it wasn't given the lack of known cases in Australia at the time.
If the only problem we had was a lack of international travel well then that wouldn't be great but it would be drastically better than the situation we actually have right now. A purely economic problem that could be at least partially worked around by encouraging Australians to travel domestically versus lockdowns.
We could have given every worker two weeks' extra leave on the condition that they travel at least 200km from home for that period and stay at a commercially operated hotel, motel, caravan park etc. Split the cost of that two weeks between business and government - both would have taken a bit of a hit but been drastically better off than what we've ended up with and it would have worked around much of the economic problems of the international cut-off.
I know which I'd rather.
Yes, but it has to be tested on someone.
In the other thread on Covid I linked an interview with Bill Gates where he said he thought it was OK for 100% of the people to have side effects from it
leave me out of that one
if it is working, let people worried about being sick take a dose, but please please I am not yet in a China jail, do not force that crap on me; or worse, on kids this would be worse than 1984The government wants to make it mandatory. I'm not sure I like that. Some people are likely to have an allergic reaction and we don't have a compensation scheme like other countries.
if it is working, let people worried about being sick take a dose, but please please I am not yet in a China jail, do not force that crap on me; or worse, on kids this would be worse than 1984
Maybe people who think that getting the virus is nothing to worry about would test it, after all it couldn't be that bad could it ?
Stage 1 and 2 vaccine trials are relatively easy to breeze through, it's stage 3 where almost all vaccines, and all drugs for that matter fall over.So the economy is in a holding pattern waiting for a vaccine, questions remain about how harmful the vaccine will be or how foreign actors will use the gullible to sow doubt about the vaccines.
Hope everyone understands the amount of people already injected with the testing for vaccines before its released to not only see if it creates an adverse reaction in the patient but also to see if the bodies response is showing an effect defence against the virus.
This is all done quite early in the testing stages.
Just saying the obvious.......
Maybe people who think that getting the virus is nothing to worry about would test it, after all it couldn't be that bad could it ?
F---k stop being so righteous.
All viruses that can lead to death are bad, but we are discussing individual cases, but rather the economic cost to an economy and those that provide to it.
You really are stupid.
F---k stop being so righteous.
You really are stupid.
The economic benefit of a working vaccine would be enormous, but you obviously believe the virus is mostly harmless so a vaccine would be a waste of time. Speaking of wastes of time , corresponding with you and your mate is just that so I'll take your advice a press the button.
Joe, with regard to you, I think you need to read through the posts before you assume that I and others are getting frustrated with the denial of some posters.
Maybe people who think that getting the virus is nothing to worry about would test it, after all it couldn't be that bad could it ?
F---k stop being so righteous.
All viruses that can lead to death are bad, but we are discussing individual cases, but rather the economic cost to an economy and those that provide to it.
You really are stupid.
Maybe people who think that getting the virus is nothing to worry about would test it, after all it couldn't be that bad could it ?
All viruses that can lead to death are bad, but we are discussing individual cases, but rather the economic cost to an economy and those that provide to it.
Will leave it alone. Back to sunshine and lollipops.
I can see much of your argument except this bit.Firstly, we can't just shut down all international travel on a knee jerk reaction as soon as there's the first hint of any virus anywhere. That's just not possible for all sorts of reasons.
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