Economic implications of a SARS/Coronavirus outbreak

[SirRumpole]

Or do we quarantine arrivals there and then to limit the damage?

With lessons learned about hotel quarantine and private security guards, yes.

 

[Sdajii]

The government wants to make it mandatory. I'm not sure I like that. Some people are likely to have an allergic reaction and we don't have a compensation scheme like other countries.

Yeah, pressuring or effectively forcing people to take a virus which has had barely a fraction of the research time of any other vaccine in history is pretty much a recipe for conspiracy theorists to revolt and go crazy.

I have always been pro vaccinations. I have done my best to keep up with all my vaccinations (my parents/family prevented me from ever getting any as a child, they are hardcore antivaxers, and I had to work hard to chase it all up myself and catch up as a teenager, and I've done my best to keep on top of them since then), but this rush job with dodgy politics involved is something I definitely do not want, especially for a virus which isn't particularly dangerous anyway.

Here's a concept, an elephant in the room which I still haven't heard anyone mention: I don't think the vaccine for a coronavirus is going to be effective. Coronavirus enthusiasts disagree with me. If you honestly think it is going to be effective, why can't you have it and let me not have it? We keep getting told herd immunity isn't really a thing, no one has achieved it (despite it clearly having been achieved, again, Sweden), but if you think the vaccine is going to work, great, you should believe it will protect you, so don't force it on me until/unless I'm satisfied it's safe. And having said that, I may well consider it to be safe and not be fussed about having it, other than the fact that I'm being forced to have it. Even if I think it's safe and do want it for myself (which I can't see happening because I don't believe they can make an effective coronavirus vaccine for the same reason they've been unable to make one for the last 50+ years including 17 years for SARS which is closely related and works in the same way and they've tried extensively to make one for, but I will keep an open mind), I don't want it to be forced on anyone who doesn't want it.

 

[over9k]

There's no proof as to exactly when the first case arrived I agree but it's undeniable that the virus came to Australia aboard a plane or ship from overseas. It's a fact that we know which ship exactly brought many cases and that even the airlines, who are not medical authorities, expressed concerns at what was going on at the time.

Now I could be wrong I acknowledge that but based on all I've seen, this looks to be a case of government not wanting to risk losing $1 billion so we delayed and lost $100 billion instead. Made up figures but order of magnitude that's the sort of thing we're looking at. Too worried about tourism and universities so we ended up stuffing the entire economy.

Do you really think that? Or was it just stalling to enable the politicians to get their money out first?

 

[willoneau]

I think you should go and read up about the coronavirus and how lethal it really is. It's not those that have mild reactions and recover, its those that end up having to need a bed in ICU and put on a ventilator to help survive and still may die. With only so many ICU beds in the Country if anyone that cannot get a bed will definitely die, I did read some were there is one ICU bed for every 130,000 people.

 

[willoneau]

So be thankful that you are in Australia for at the moment with all the restrictions placed on us if you or a member of your family need ICU to survive rest assured there is a bed.

 

[willoneau]

My sister inlaw works in a Melbourne hospital and tells me of the fear she lives with every day she walks in and the risk of taking it home to her husband and daughter.

 

[Smurf1976]

Here's a concept, an elephant in the room which I still haven't heard anyone mention: I don't think the vaccine for a coronavirus is going to be effective. Coronavirus enthusiasts disagree with me. If you honestly think it is going to be effective, why can't you have it and let me not have it?

I'm no doctor but the basic concept relies upon it being effective most of the time in most people thus stopping transmission. That works despite the reality that vaccines generally aren't 100% effective as such.

It's much the same as rather a lot of things of a safety nature. The measures taken are less than 100% reliable but universal application means that the odds of failure in practice are low since an overall system failure requires that multiple individual failures all occur in very quick succession - not totally impossible but incredibly unlikely.

Everything from aircraft design through to the financial system relies on that basic principle that yes individual things go wrong but they're very unlikely to all fail at once. On the rare occasion that they do then it's headline news - plane crash, bank failure, etc.

That said, vaccinations do carry some risk that I acknowledge. I've no proof but suffice to say that a family member looked after an abandoned cat for a couple of years and I doubt it's a coincidence that it died the day it was vaccinated. Some sort of reaction there most likely - no proof but an amazing coincidence if not.

 

[Smurf1976]

Do you really think that? Or was it just stalling to enable the politicians to get their money out first?

I'm taking it at face value but I do acknowledge that your assertion is at least possible yes.

 

[SirRumpole]

Do you really think that? Or was it just stalling to enable the politicians to get their money out first?

I'm not saying you are wrong, but if you have any evidence that would be good.

If it turns out to be true it would be a gigantic scandal and heads should roll.

And I wouldn't put it past any politician on whatever side.

 

[sptrawler]

I'm no doctor but the basic concept relies upon it being effective most of the time in most people thus stopping transmission. That works despite the reality that vaccines generally aren't 100% effective as such.

The other point is, it is well documented that the antibodies don't stay in the system for extended periods, therefore it may follow that it will require everyone to be vaccinated in the same time period to get effective coverage.

 

[qldfrog]

The other point is, it is well documented that the antibodies don't stay in the system for extended periods, therefore it may follow that it will require everyone to be vaccinated in the same time period to get effective coverage.

Actually not really true latest research see ongoing immunity higher than initially thought..
Just a part of the propaganda to push mandatory immunisation in my opinion, and rack more ongoing yearly semi annual who knows sales

Now i have to find back the link i read yesterday...

 

[qldfrog]

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354999
If you ever doubted the power of google propaganda, try to find the link with google..hard
So damned if you do damned if you don't..good news on virus prohibited it seems

 

[qldfrog]

Note that might explain why 75% of people who catch the virus do not even react or have a fever, many might actually fight and kill it before symptoms whereas people without this previous exposure are easy targets

 

[Knobby22]

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354999
If you ever doubted the power of google propaganda, try to find the link with google..hard
So damned if you do damned if you don't..good news on virus prohibited it seems

Well the study was only released yesterday. I think it will spread (I guarantee it will be on Dr Norman Swans next program).

I have noticed health professionals in the field all becoming much more positive over the last month. Many said a vaccine is unlikely to work or work well but are now changing their tune. Also many said it would be years away and are now saying early next year if one of the phase 3 trials work. The amount of money thrown at this is getting results.

 

[Knobby22]

Note that might explain why 75% of people who catch the virus do not even react or have a fever, many might actually fight and kill it before symptoms whereas people without this previous exposure are easy targets

Someone needs to do a study. Urgently.
And another thought, is this linked to Post Covid syndrome (that causes tiredness)?

 

[againsthegrain]

Someone needs to do a study. Urgently.
And another thought, is this linked to Post Covid syndrome (that causes tiredness)?

Bit off the original topic but still on the topic everybody is talking about now. Does anybody know is there a test to check if somebody did have the virus at some stage and their body has the ability to create the antibodies?
Is it logical to think people with immunity would not need to be vaccinated?

 

[over9k]

I'm taking it at face value but I do acknowledge that your assertion is at least possible yes.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but if you have any evidence that would be good.

If it turns out to be true it would be a gigantic scandal and heads should roll.

And I wouldn't put it past any politician on whatever side.

Not here in AU, but there is in the U.S:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ket-crash-spark-calls-to-resign-idUSKBN2171AL

https://www.breitbart.com/news/us-senators-sold-stock-before-virus-hit-sparking-insider-accusations/

https://www.breitbart.com/news/sen-loeffler-to-sell-stock-holdings-after-trading-scrutiny/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ed-1-5m-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefings/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...securities-fraud-over-coronavirus-stock-dump/

I did read another one about a couple of democrat politicians too so it's not unique to the republicans.

We're fooling ourselves if we think it didn't happen here.

 

[Knobby22]

Bit off the original topic but still on the topic everybody is talking about now. Does anybody know is there a test to check if somebody did have the virus at some stage and their body has the ability to create the antibodies?
Is it logical to think people with immunity would not need to be vaccinated?

Very logical.
Not many in Australia have caught it though.

 

[SirRumpole]

Bit off the original topic but still on the topic everybody is talking about now. Does anybody know is there a test to check if somebody did have the virus at some stage and their body has the ability to create the antibodies?
Is it logical to think people with immunity would not need to be vaccinated?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ow-long-will-immunity-to-the-coronavirus-last

 

[wayneL]

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354999
If you ever doubted the power of google propaganda, try to find the link with google..hard
So damned if you do damned if you don't..good news on virus prohibited it seems

This is something that has not gone unnoticed in our household Mon Ami.

For anyone who doesn't know about it...

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