wayneL
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Julia,So, Wayne and Prospector, if you have no problems with users, are you going to be happy to have a root canal performed by a drug using dentist, a piece of delicate surgery performed by a drug using surgeon, your tax returns done by a drug using accountant?
And are you going to be OK with your children using drugs as long as they don't burgle someone's home to get the money to pay for them?
Julia,
So in conclusion, I don't see the difference between alcohol and most drugs, except that one is legal and ENCOURAGED. It is advertised everywhere and the peer pressure to drink is massive.
Why is one a criminal, and the other a good ol' boy/girl?
Because in this country the government spends money in areas that makes people feel all warm and fuzzy. The truth is never on the main agenda, but votes and political influence is.
How many times have we seen something get banned for which is has no apprent effect? yet the government does it because the public "feels" its the right move.
In Italy there is no legal age for alcohol yet they dont have a problem of alcoholism. I find the more we take away personal responsibility from people the more we are prone to giving into peer pressure (because we cant make decisions on our own), parents are solely responsible for teaching their kids the effects alcohol and drugs have.
Yer darn tootin' Ageo. (that means agree 100%)
BTW, I really like the Italian approach to booze... very healthy IMO.
So, Wayne and Prospector, if you have no problems with users, are you going to be happy to have a root canal performed by a drug using dentist, a piece of delicate surgery performed by a drug using surgeon, your tax returns done by a drug using accountant?
And are you going to be OK with your children using drugs as long as they don't burgle someone's home to get the money to pay for them?
Mister SYou could take pure heroin for 50 years without destroying your liver, kidneys, heart or brain - but it would have to be unadulterated, not 10% heroin and 90% kitty-litter, glucose, or whatever else it is cut with.
cheers
Mister S
Interesting observation about the pure heroin. What's the source of that statement?
One of the issues is the confusion generated by having legal and illegal drugs, where the justification for the status of each is hard to discern if looked at simply in terms of personal harm...
However, the argument for legalising or decriminalising all or selected drugs is attractive in the sense that it rationalises the personal harm aspect of drugs by removing some contradictions.
Society could move to the view that all drug-taking is self-indulgent and anti-social, a bit similar to the way smoking has shifted from being portrayed as "the international passport to smoking pleasure" for beautiful people, to a filthy, deadly, habit that smelly, loser, addicts must now do out in the street.
This would at least put drug-taking generally into some perspective, instead of being clouded in ignorance, delusion and hypocrisy, as it is currently.
great posts there MisterS and Whiskers.We already see doctors and hospitals either refusing to treat smokers for tobacco related conditions or perpetually putting them at the end of the line, unless they can demonstrate that they have given up the habit.
Insurance companies now discriminate against smokers in terms of premiums so that non smokers aren't picking up the higher cost of smokers health care.
(Gee I hate cigarettes) !!
lol - to avoid pepsi and cocacola I assume - lol - wise choice m8Me too, 2020
I think all the men in my family including uncles, cousins, and a couple of women smoked at least for awhile. I don't know why, but I could never stand the stuff and never smoked.
Even alcohol, when I was a teen, once I had my fill it stopped tasting nice and cobsequently I rarely got stoned out of my mind unlike everyone around me. Even now I can go months without a drink and it doesn't bother me.
Actually, I have started sipping a bit of red more often now to avoid drinking so much pepsi and coke.
NT kava ban 'not to blame' for alcohol problems
Posted Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:32pm AEST
Map: Nhulunbuy 0880
Police in East Arnhem Land say an increase in alcohol related problems over the weekend can only partially be blamed on the ban on kava.
The substance was banned in the Northern Territory by the Federal Government as part of its intervention into Indigenous affairs.
Police seized a taxi at the weekend bringing alcohol into a restricted area and increased patrols in Yirrkala and Nhulunbuy as a response to the escalation in drinking.
The officer in charge of Nhulunbuy Police, Tony Fuller, says it is not only the kava ban causing the problems.
"We've had the football final and we have also had the funeral of a prominent person in the community, which resulted in the influx of a number of people form the outlying communities," he said.
"There is a lot more grog around, but I don't think its purely kava related."
NT kava retailer bills Govt for $582,000
Posted Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:40am AEST
A Northern Territory kava retailer has sent the Federal Government a bill for $582,000 and a kava wholesaler is planning to follow suit, in response to a Commonwealth kava ban.
The organisations say it is a condition of their licences that kava profits go back into the community and they want the Commonwealth to pay for projects that had already been committed to when the Federal Government banned Kava imports in June.
Wholesaler Ric Norton from the Laynhapuy Homelands Association says the ban has left them in a difficult position.
"We have issue purchase orders for about $1 million worth of works in our homelands," he said.
He says the projects included building offices so remote areas could have access to the internet and buying a truck to help with road works.
A spokeswoman for the Federal Health Minister says the Government will buy back set kava that has been impounded, but it is not planning to compensate for loss of earnings.
Brough to ban kava in Indigenous communities
Posted Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:06pm AEST
Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Mal Brough says kava will be outlawed in remote Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory by the end of the week.
The tranquillising Pacific Islands substance was introduced to some Aboriginal communities in the early 1980s in the hope that it would curb alcohol abuse.
Mr Brough says there has been resistance to its removal, with the Yirrkala community in Arnhem Land so outraged it ejected a visiting Commonwealth survey team this week.
But he says the drug is harmful and must go.
"What a social destruction where governments allow licensing of a product which has had people comatosed, as one senior elder told me," he said.
"Women and men [have been] comatosed for long periods, not getting out of bed of a morning, not feeding their children, not sending them to school, not having a care about anything, because this substance has basically just messed with them so badly."
Mr Brough his Commonwealth survey team was kicked out of Yirrkala in north-east Arnhem Land on Monday in protest to kava bans.
A community spokesman says the survey team was asked to leave after it failed to deliver any new information about the intervention.
But Mr Brough says his Aboriginal contacts in Yirrkala have told him heavy users of the tranquillising Kava substance were behind the protest.
"We have pockets of people who perhaps have been given information inappropriately, incorrectly, or simply are opposed to things like the banning of kava," he said.
"Well I'm afraid those are things we are doing in the interest of their children.
"I'm afraid that if they are in too much of a fog from substance abuse not to understand that, then that doesn't excuse their actions and will not prevent us from acting."
He says he will not be travelling to Arnhem Land to talk to angry community members at Yirrkala.
"No I won't be going out to Yirrkala to speak directly to those people," he said.
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