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Drug experimentation and dependence

i see you mentioned methadone doing more harm than good in your opinion,

what has been your experience?do you know anybody on methadone?

why would it have done more harm?
I'd also be interested in the background to this assertion.
Certainly putting people on methadone is just swapping one addiction for another but addicts on appropriately adjusted methadone are usually able to lead a fairly 'normal' life, have a job, maintain family relationships etc., which they can't when absorbed in criminal activity necessary to access heroin.

As long as the daily dose of methadone is taken in the pharmacy to avoid any likelihood of stockpiling and subsequent injecting, it's a fairly manageable way of coping with an addiction. I know several addicts who have managed to gradually reduce their dose and eventually come off all narcotics.
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/11/2214875.htm?section=justin

as they say
one cup numbs your lips
the second numbs your tongue
the third numbs your brain
 
Don;t experiment with over-indulgence with the bottle kids, you might end up looking like this ...

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020924Bisbort.html

 

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as they say
one cup numbs your lips
the second numbs your tongue
the third numbs your brain
Yep, Kava does that. But beyond the third, it doesn't make you get agressive and want to hit things, or cry.

I think it's amazing that Kava is a banned drug in Australia. (I think)

Interesting that the Fijians are allowed to take Kava on overseas military operations, becuase of it's cultural significance.

I had a nice Christmas and New Years with a bunch of Fijians in East Timor in 2003.

Very mellow and social.

Didn't cry, or make any undeliverable crazy pledges to myslelf, didn't want to hit anything, and woke up sparkly.
 

Apparently in the old days, the root was prepared by chewing by young girls and the juice was spat into the communal bowl. - Then everyone hopped into the spittoon with gusto (sorry - in fact it is and was a very cultured ritual - love those kava ceremonies :bowdown: )

I really like the stuff as well.
I believe you can buy it in Sydney :2 twocents
Max allowance of 2kg per passenger for (Melanesians and) Polynesians arriving in Aus (according to this website)

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...ders-warnabbott/2007/10/01/1191091029986.html



Heck, the only reason they don't let the Abs use it in any quantity - as a substitute for white man's fire-water - is that there would be massive objections from those with vested interests , (the publicans and the taxman). But it would immediately make a massive reduction in domestic violence and abuse etc.

 

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There was a piece in today's "Courier Mail" about inadequate police numbers.
Brisbanites will be familiar with "The Valley" where apparently a good bit of drug use happens. The police commented that thank God so many people there were using ecstasy rather than alcohol as these people were a great deal easier to deal with than drunks.

Hospitals echoed the comment on the basis of injuries incurred amongst drunken brawls, falls/accidents.

Suspect they feel less kindly towards users of ice, however.
 
spot on Julia

Then of ourse they mix em up - and add alcohol as well - and end up like Sarah May Ward (currently waiting in jail for murder trial) ....

One of my boys was drinking with Eli Westlake earlier that evening of his death Ward has been charged with his murder, plus drink-driving - together with a cocktail of drugs - including ecstacy from memory - gotta feeling they are calling it "meth like rage" rather than accusing her of using meth as such.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23832174-5006009,00.html
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,23827862-1242,00.html
 

True. When I served in the Solomon Islands, the Fijian Police drank kava every night. On one of my nights off I had some with them. It did nothing except make me more relaxed, and I had a great night sleep. Its still sold in health food stores here in tablet form, but the doses are extremely tiny.
 
When the lawmakers of the land put Ecstasy and Ice in the same basket you will always have a drug problem.
Ecstasy is a non addictive drug and Ice is probably the most addictive drug known to mankind.
Ignorance to this fact will lead to lives ruined and lost.
Kids have to thumb through their Dads Zoo or picture mags to get the true facts on all drugs.
Draconian lawmakers just shuffle papers and put their heads in the sand while their failed understanding leads to MDNA being almost impossible to source in its pure (and less harmful) form and ICE freely available as it is cheap.

There is nothing wrong finding an occasional escape from the turmoil we call life.

Purity and Moderation be the key and stay the hell away from the additive's
 
Purity and Moderation be the key and stay the hell away from the additives
nick, sounds like you're making the Oscar Wilds argument ...
"moderation in all things - especially moderation"

PS personally, if I did it all again, I'd be staying well away from anything other than a moderate amount of alcohol. - and by moderate, I mean probably about half the alcohol I have actually consumed

PS on the wagon tonight though, city2surf in the morrow

running /adrenalin is a drug y' know

especially if you keep singing something like this in your head..

The Seekers - When The Stars Begin To Fall

good tune to run to : 2twocents

PS gee I get pissed off when 90 year olds pass me on heartbreak hill though lol.

or this one.. (for the downhill bits )

mexico les humphreys singers
 
PS gee I get pissed off when 90 year olds pass me on heartbreak hill though lol.

2020, on the hill climbs i lean forward so the next step has to come or fall over.You haven`t got computer belly have you??
 
2020, on the hill climbs i lean forward so the next step has to come or fall over.You haven`t got computer belly have you??
- wys - you asking me have a got a laptop m8, lol - nope

or like some of the runners - more Chins than a HK phonebook - In my league, noone cares how well you run , it's just the mood that is seriously addictive (speaking of drugs, lol). - I'm sure you'll agree.

PS the dog has had a bad leg for a few months, - plenty of walks, but my running preparation has been almost non-existent.
 
Addictiveness of nicotine vs heroin, cocaine, alcohol etc has been discussed on another thread (Schappelle's Innocence). Probably more sense here. "Dependence" sequence (worst to least dependence) :-
Nicotine, Heroin, Cocaine, Alcohol, Caffeine, Marijuana.

http://www.tfy.drugsense.org/tfy/addictvn.htm


 

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That article from 1994 - and ecstasy and meth / ice not mentioned

nick2fish said:
When the lawmakers of the land put Ecstasy and Ice in the same basket you will always have a drug problem.
Ecstasy is a non addictive drug and Ice is probably the most addictive drug known to mankind
I'm sure you're right nick

God you'd be mad to try meth !

PS And the terrorists' finances would dry up (to some extent) you'd think, if all drugs of the likes of heroin were stopped. Pipe dream obviously.
 
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