Double Dissolution 2016

[SirRumpole]

Anyone going to watch the Turnbull/Shorten debate tonight on Sky ?

If I hear jobs and growth anymore I'll throw up.

 

[drsmith]

Bob Day's senate voting reform challenge has been thrown out by High Court,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-...rm-challenge-thrown-out-by-high-court/7410986

 

[SirRumpole]

Penalty rates vs Executive bonuses.

Are they both bull$hit ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-13/robertson-why-penalty-rates-are-just-like-ceo-bonuses/7410766

 

[luutzu]

Anyone going to watch the Turnbull/Shorten debate tonight on Sky ?

If I hear jobs and growth anymore I'll throw up.

you're going to need a big double bag SirR.

 

[Tisme]

On Sydney Streets

 

[moXJO]

While there is a rush to slam Tbull on this board, I think his plan for the country is what's needed at this time.
I'd rather Australia not be dragged back into PC wars regarding gender, race or religion.
Labor last term was more about headlines then it was about sensible policy.

Just because Shorten appears to be taking a center line doesn't mean that's how they will govern. Labor PMS tend to show they are the complete opposite of what they portray once elected.

 

[SirRumpole]

While there is a rush to slam Tbull on this board, I think his plan for the country is what's needed at this time.
I'd rather Australia not be dragged back into PC wars regarding gender, race or religion.
Labor last term was more about headlines then it was about sensible policy.

Just because Shorten appears to be taking a center line doesn't mean that's how they will govern. Labor PMS tend to show they are the complete opposite of what they portray once elected.

It also doesn't mean that just because Turnbull is in charge the Libs won't swing further to the Right after the election if they win. Turnbull has already sold his soul over climate change and renewable energy and he's showing his big end of town credentials over corporate tax cuts and negative gearing.

And his intern plan is reckoned by some to be illegal.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics

As for Labor's PC stuff, yes I agree they too often try to appeal to minorities and not the mainstream. That turns me off too but not enough to vote for the LNP.

 

[drsmith]

On the point above, it's not Malcolm's inclination to lean to the right. Whether that's a good or bad thing remains to be seen. At the moment at least, he constrained by the right.

Just because Shorten appears to be taking a center line doesn't mean that's how they will govern. Labor PMS tend to show they are the complete opposite of what they portray once elected.

The question is whether enough of the electorate will be fooled after only 3 years in opposition this time.

 

[moXJO]

It also doesn't mean that just because Turnbull is in charge the Libs won't swing further to the Right after the election if they win. Turnbull has already sold his soul over climate change and renewable energy and he's showing his big end of town credentials over corporate tax cuts and negative gearing.

And his intern plan is reckoned by some to be illegal.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics

As for Labor's PC stuff, yes I agree they too often try to appeal to minorities and not the mainstream. That turns me off too but not enough to vote for the LNP.

He seems a bit headstrong to go to far to the right. Small business needs a boost and it's smart to target them this election.

Negative gearing won't do much at all at this time in the cycle. The Chinese look at storing wealth rather than any tax breaks, when buying housing. And generally they don't sell.

Labor was one f#$k up after another. They actually destroyed a lot of different business across a range of industries with their **** ups.
Most of their policies failed and failed often with disastrous results.

 

[SirRumpole]

Labor was one f#$k up after another. They actually destroyed a lot of different business across a range of industries with their **** ups.
Most of their policies failed and failed often with disastrous results.

Can you give some examples ?

How do you feel about the destruction of the car industry and associated component suppliers and the destruction of the rooftop solar installation industry due to the LNP policies ?

 

[drsmith]

Can you give some examples ?

There's a wealth of past discussion on the policy outcomes of the former Labor government on this forum if you wish to look.

 

[moXJO]

Can you give some examples ?

How do you feel about the destruction of the car industry and associated component suppliers and the destruction of the rooftop solar installation industry due to the LNP policies ?

Insulation scheme wiped out a lot of guys that were in business for years. The local manufacturers couldn't keep up with demand so business had to import it from overseas in bulk. Then they canned the policy and they were left with too much product. It was all the guys that were around for years that were screwed. All the Cowboys made their money and got out. The ones that lived the industry had no work left. That's on top of all the mistakes and ripoffs that occured.

BER sub contractors were the ones that got shafted waiting for money or having unrealistic time frames set upon them. A lot of subbies were shafted when govt payments taking months or not at all.

There were a few big builders in cohorts with govt. Personally seeing the above two it was a bloody joke.

The Indonesian knee jerk reaction over cattle screwed over top end cattle producers. All because labor needed another headline.

I really don't want to type all day.

 

[moXJO]

Can you give some examples ?

How do you feel about the destruction of the car industry and associated component suppliers and the destruction of the rooftop solar installation industry due to the LNP policies ?

All the guys that were doing solar had work.
Labor policy brought in the Cowboys.
At one stage people were hooking up diesel motors to solar systems to rort the feed in tarriff.

 

[noco]

Anyone going to watch the Turnbull/Shorten debate tonight on Sky ?

If I hear jobs and growth anymore I'll throw up.

$10 on Shorten

$1 on Turnbull

Any takers?

 

[noco]

Insulation scheme wiped out a lot of guys that were in business for years. The local manufacturers couldn't keep up with demand so business had to import it from overseas in bulk. Then they canned the policy and they were left with too much product. It was all the guys that were around for years that were screwed. All the Cowboys made their money and got out. The ones that lived the industry had no work left. That's on top of all the mistakes and ripoffs that occured.

BER sub contractors were the ones that got shafted waiting for money or having unrealistic time frames set upon them. A lot of subbies were shafted when govt payments taking months or not at all.

There were a few big builders in cohorts with govt. Personally seeing the above two it was a bloody joke.

The Indonesian knee jerk reaction over cattle screwed over top end cattle producers. All because labor needed another headline.

I really don't want to type all day.

Most of the rusted on Labor supporters have short memories and hate being reminded of Labor's faults.

 

[SirRumpole]

Most of the rusted on Labor supporters have short memories and hate being reminded of Labor's faults.

Labor have faults alright but so does the LNP. None of them are Mr/Mrs/Ms Clean.

 

[CanOz]

How do you feel about the destruction of the car industry and associated component suppliers and the destruction of the rooftop solar installation industry due to the LNP policies ?

Excuse me, if you could be so kind as to clearly explain to me what exactly destroyed the auto industry in Australia?

I'm not asking an opinion, i'm asking for facts.

Thanks in advance Sir.

edit: nevermind, i found a good article on this myself.

What really killed vehicle manufacturing in Australia

 

[SirRumpole]

Excuse me, if you could be so kind as to clearly explain to me what exactly destroyed the auto industry in Australia?

I'm not asking an opinion, i'm asking for facts.

Thanks in advance Sir.

The elimination of government support to the car industry under the Abbott regime.

And before you say that government support is socialism, every major car manufacturing country supports their car making industry in some form either by subsidies, import quotas or tariffs.

 

[CanOz]

The elimination of government support to the car industry under the Abbott regime.

And before you say that government support is socialism, every major car manufacturing country supports their car making industry in some form either by subsidies, import quotas or tariffs.

Its seems it was not the high labor cost, but the lack of fair trade....now that's an election campaign topic that's not going to get talked about...

 

[Tisme]

While there is a rush to slam Tbull on this board, I think his plan for the country is what's needed at this time.
I'd rather Australia not be dragged back into PC wars regarding gender, race or religion.
Labor last term was more about headlines then it was about sensible policy.

Just because Shorten appears to be taking a center line doesn't mean that's how they will govern. Labor PMS tend to show they are the complete opposite of what they portray once elected.

Bookies are taking bets on how long either of the two last much past the election, elected or otherwise.