Double Dissolution 2016

pixel · 7 May 2016

noco said:
pixel, I am still waiting for your answer to my post.

Yes and the LUG party even opposed their own savings of $6 billion which the Libs wanted passed....Why did they say NO to that?

Would you not call that obstruction?

Read carefully what I said, noco:

In opposition, Abbott obstructed the elected Labor government.
Labor is now obstructing the Lib-Nat government.

If what Abbott did then was justified and Labor had to put up with it without running to the GG and demand a DD, why is the oh-so-eloquent Malcolm now playing the DD card instead of using his ability and argue his case? The answer to not being able to win an argument is not chucking it in and demanding new rules. It was bad enough that the Big Two colluded to change voting rules to keep the perks of being a Senator to themselves. For Malcolm to now toss in bat and ball and demand new teams for the last few Overs is more than bad sportsmanship. It's intellectual bankruptcy. IMHO.

OK, so you and Tink see a difference and agree with one obstruction, but not the other. That's your prerogative in a democratic society.
Like many others, I disagree equally with both. That's my prerogative. So let's agree to disagree without rancour.

moXJO · 7 May 2016

pixel said:
Read carefully what I said, noco:

In opposition, Abbott obstructed the elected Labor government.
Labor is now obstructing the Lib-Nat government.
.

libs didn't control the Senate and labor would have been wiped out.
Labor was too gutless even if they didn't control it.

noco · 7 May 2016

pixel said:
Read carefully what I said, noco:

In opposition, Abbott obstructed the elected Labor government.
Labor is now obstructing the Lib-Nat government.

If what Abbott did then was justified and Labor had to put up with it without running to the GG and demand a DD, why is the oh-so-eloquent Malcolm now playing the DD card instead of using his ability and argue his case? The answer to not being able to win an argument is not chucking it in and demanding new rules. It was bad enough that the Big Two colluded to change voting rules to keep the perks of being a Senator to themselves. For Malcolm to now toss in bat and ball and demand new teams for the last few Overs is more than bad sportsmanship. It's intellectual bankruptcy. IMHO.

OK, so you and Tink see a difference and agree with one obstruction, but not the other. That's your prerogative in a democratic society.
Like many others, I disagree equally with both. That's my prerogative. So let's agree to disagree without rancour.

You know very well as I do when Labor was in power 2007/2013 they had control of the senate with the support of a signed agreement between Gillard and Brown and some of the other radicals senators and had no trouble in passing what ever legislation they liked.

2013/2016, Labor still had control of the senate with the Greens and the radicals who were left inclined, so Abbott/Turnbull were continually hampered by this hostile senate ...Obstruct for the sake of obstruction.

I shall point out to you again, Abbott tried to curtail Labor's extravagant spending while Shorten has gone out of his way to prevent the Liberal Government to curtail spending......I am still waiting someone in the Labor circles on this forum to explain to me why Labor has not allowed the implementation of $6 billion of their own savings as agreed to by the Liberals....Was that in the national interest by the Labor Party.

I will not hold my breath while I wait a Labor members answer.

Turnbull is seeking a DD to pass legislation pertaining to the recommendations of TURC as set down by Dyson Heydon to control the bad behavior of the CFMEU and other unions such as the Shorten run AWU and as outlined in a previous post.

Tisme · 7 May 2016

noco said:
You know very well as I do when Labor was in power 2007/2013 they had control of the senate with the support of a signed agreement between Gillard and Brown and some of the other radicals senators and had no trouble in passing what ever legislation they liked.

2013/2016, Labor still had control of the senate with the Greens and the radicals who were left inclined, so Abbott/Turnbull were continually hampered by this hostile senate ...Obstruct for the sake of obstruction.

I shall point out to you again, Abbott tried to curtail Labor's extravagant spending while Shorten has gone out of his way to prevent the Liberal Government to curtail spending......I am still waiting someone in the Labor circles on this forum to explain to me why Labor has not allowed the implementation of $6 billion of their own savings as agreed to by the Liberals....Was that in the national interest by the Labor Party.

I will not hold my breath while I wait a Labor members answer.

Turnbull is seeking a DD to pass legislation pertaining to the recommendations of TURC as set down by Dyson Heydon to control the bad behavior of the CFMEU and other unions such as the Shorten run AWU and as outlined in a previous post.

I understand your passion Noco, but any prevention by Labor "to curtail spending" was not the basis of the double dissolution, but the tired and worn out attempt to wipe out their arch enemy; organised labour.

I'm sure if the Libs felt passionately about the budget they would have gone to the polls ages ago when any of the bills had been rejected? That is how the electorate sees it and that is why we now have a situation where an increasing number of voters are to going self flagellate themselves (votes) for being so gullible as to vote for whoever has had a bum on seat in this parliament; they are likely going to punish their own stupidity by voting outside their comfort zone.

noco · 7 May 2016

Tisme said:
I understand your passion Noco, but any prevention by Labor "to curtail spending" was not the basis of the double dissolution, but the tired and worn out attempt to wipe out their arch enemy; organised labour.

I'm sure if the Libs felt passionately about the budget they would have gone to the polls ages ago when any of the bills had been rejected? That is how the electorate sees it and that is why we now have a situation where an increasing number of voters are to going self flagellate themselves (votes) for being so gullible as to vote for whoever has had a bum on seat in this parliament; they are likely going to punish their own stupidity by voting outside their comfort zone.

Can you please point out to me where I stated the DD was being called on the basis of the prevention of Labor "to curtail spending"

You are becoming as bad as Rumpy for not reading and absorbing the true contents.

Turnbull is calling the DD based on the refusal of Labor to accept Dyson Heyden's TURC recommendations to clamp down on bad union behavior ...Especially the CFMEU whose puppet is Bill Shorten.....the AWU once lead by Bill Shorten.....the corruption in the HSU......Get with it man.

Tisme · 7 May 2016

noco said:
Can you please point out to me where I stated the DD was being called on the basis of the prevention of Labor "to curtail spending"

You are becoming as bad as Rumpy for not reading and absorbing the true contents.

Turnbull is calling the DD based on the refusal of Labor to accept Dyson Heyden's TURC recommendations to clamp down on bad union behavior ...Especially the CFMEU whose puppet is Bill Shorten.....the AWU once lead by Bill Shorten.....the corruption in the HSU......Get with it man.

I only repeated your own argument against Pixel of how detrimentally obstructionist Labor has been and I was trying to put in perspective that it wasn't so important to the Libs.... the economy was not as important as smashing unions it seems.

The rest of the hysteria about evil that only resides in the Labor/union camp is smoke and mirrors IMO, the real prize is power.

noco · 7 May 2016

noco said:
You know very well as I do when Labor was in power 2007/2013 they had control of the senate with the support of a signed agreement between Gillard and Brown and some of the other radicals senators and had no trouble in passing what ever legislation they liked.

2013/2016, Labor still had control of the senate with the Greens and the radicals who were left inclined, so Abbott/Turnbull were continually hampered by this hostile senate ...Obstruct for the sake of obstruction.

I shall point out to you again, Abbott tried to curtail Labor's extravagant spending while Shorten has gone out of his way to prevent the Liberal Government to curtail spending......I am still waiting someone in the Labor circles on this forum to explain to me why Labor has not allowed the implementation of $6 billion of their own savings as agreed to by the Liberals....Was that in the national interest by the Labor Party.

I will not hold my breath while I wait a Labor members answer.

Turnbull is seeking a DD to pass legislation pertaining to the recommendations of TURC as set down by Dyson Heydon to control the bad behavior of the CFMEU and other unions such as the Shorten run AWU and as outlined in a previous post.

Can I please have one of you lefties explain why Labor refused to sanction their own $6 billion spending cuts?

SirRumpole · 8 May 2016

noco said:
Can I please have one of you lefties explain why Labor refused to sanction their own $6 billion spending cuts?

I believe Labor said it was because the cuts were framed in such a way that they would also have to agree with other cuts that they didn't want to agree with.

But you wouldn't believe anything they say so it's no point arguing with you.

noco · 8 May 2016

SirRumpole said:
I believe Labor said it was because the cuts were framed in such a way that they would also have to agree with other cuts that they didn't want to agree with.

But you wouldn't believe anything they say so it's no point arguing with you.

You got that right....The Lug Party are full of lies and rhetoric and you and your Fabian mates will not convince me other than it was not in the national interest......It was a case of obstruct for the sake of obstruction.....Labor want to see the Liberal Government fail and they will do and say anything to achieve it.

Bill Shorten will bow to the corrupt rotten unions and will forever be their puppet......$hit, I would hate to think he could be our next CFMEU/AWU Prime Minister with a double union collar around his neck and a leash attached to David Oliver and Michael O"Conner....Shorten is going to aline himself with 108 criminal union hacks on over 1000 charges of corruption, bribery and extortion.

Tisme · 8 May 2016

I wonder why the Gillard and Rudd govts managed to get "bad" bills through the senate, but the Abbott/Turnbull couldn't get "good" legislation through?

Even in the unlikely event that Malcolm does get the Libs up in absolute majority in the lower house, chances are he'll loose enough seats in the senate to lose any joint sitting advantage.

Both sides must be praying for their own Tampa moment

noco · 8 May 2016

Tisme said:
I wonder why the Gillard and Rudd govts managed to get "bad" bills through the senate, but the Abbott/Turnbull couldn't get "good" legislation through?

Even in the unlikely event that Malcolm does get the Libs up in absolute majority in the lower house, chances are he'll loose enough seats in the senate to lose any joint sitting advantage.

Both sides must be praying for their own Tampa moment

Because Gillard/Rudd had a majority of lefties in the senate ...Labor...Greens...and "EGGHEADS"...too easy.

SirRumpole · 8 May 2016

Tisme said:
Both sides must be praying for their own Tampa moment

I think Shorten has got his Tampa moment, the disgraceful display by Turnbull and Morrison over negative gearing.

People who already own their own house taking other people's houses as well.

Should be worth a few votes out there in renter land I reckon.

Tisme · 8 May 2016

noco said:
Because Gillard/Rudd had a majority of lefties in the senate ...Labor...Greens...and "EGGHEADS"...too easy.

So you are saying while Labor had a minority count they coalesced with Oakeshott, Bandt, Windsor, Wilkie who were all lower house socialists? In the upper house 31 of the 77 senate seats were Labor (Liberal/National/Country/LNP had 34), the rest being socialists?

Both houses fell into line with Labor because socialists flock together?

Tisme · 8 May 2016

SirRumpole said:
I think Shorten has got his Tampa moment, the disgraceful display by Turnbull and Morrison over negative gearing.

People who already own their own house taking other people's houses as well.

Should be worth a few votes out there in renter land I reckon.

You may be right insofar as the population left out of the negative gearing rort feeling unentitled and unenabled, but it's not a deal maker. Similarly there aren't too many who have considered the royal commission to knife Bill Shorten as anything but cynical hate politics, so that isn't going to play out as votes imo.

There has to be a clanger waiting in the wings somewhere. Once upon a time you could rely on some randy pollie doing his wife on the office furniture.

dutchie · 8 May 2016

Whom ever wins the election, let them get a majority in both houses.

Sick of the elected government not being able to govern because of wanker greens and idiot independents.

Get rid of the Senate!!

explod · 8 May 2016

dutchie said:
Whom ever wins the election, let them get a majority in both houses.

Sick of the elected government not being able to govern because of wanker greens and idiot independents.

Get rid of the Senate!!

How about some points of proof on my being "a wanker"

pixel · 8 May 2016

dutchie said:
Whom ever wins the election, let them get a majority in both houses.

Sick of the elected government not being able to govern because of wanker greens and idiot independents.

Get rid of the Senate!!

yeah, that's what Hitler managed to do.
He was also pretty successful in vilifying everybody who held a different opinion by accusing them of corruption, treason, profiteering, and being unpatriotic.

As a result of that "success", every true Democracy has now TWO independent Houses at the centre. The names they're given vary across countries: Lower and Upper House; Congress and Senate; House of Commons and Lords; Legislative Assembly and Control Council; ... but the principle remains the same: Keep the bastards honest!

The system may still not be perfect, but it is designed to avoid one side getting it all their way.

Joules MM1 · 8 May 2016

carpe diem .....is the timing a bit fishy.....is the government swimming upstream.....

this video may enlighten/enliven.......some

[video]https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/729090793424621568.html[/video]

SirRumpole · 8 May 2016

Barnaby's carp performance convinced me that he is a raving idiot not fit to be in Parliament.

Go Tony Windsor !

Tisme · 8 May 2016

pixel said:
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yeah, that's what Hitler managed to do.
He was also pretty successful in vilifying everybody who held a different opinion by accusing them of corruption, treason, profiteering, and being unpatriotic.

As a result of that "success", every true Democracy has now TWO independent Houses at the centre. The names they're given vary across countries: Lower and Upper House; Congress and Senate; House of Commons and Lords; Legislative Assembly and Control Council; ... but the principle remains the same: Keep the bastards honest!

The system may still not be perfect, but it is designed to avoid one side getting it all their way.

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