Donald Trump - Loud mouthed American Idiot

[basilio]

When you want to making up some BS lying trash to destroy an opponent the "Birther" lie is always a reliable Trump go to.
He has decided to knock Niki Haley from the Presidential race using the "Birther Lie".

‘Totally baseless’: Trump denounced for Nikki Haley ‘birther’ lie​

Former president promotes racist conspiracy theory that Haley, born in South Carolina and a US citizen, is not qualified for office

Martin Pengelly in Washington
@MartinPengelly
Thu 11 Jan 2024 03.22 AEDTLast modified on Thu 11 Jan 2024 05.57 AEDT

A leading professor of US constitutional law condemned Donald Trump for “playing the race card” by propagating the “totally baseless” claim that Nikki Haley, his surging rival for the Republican presidential nomination, is not qualified because her parents were not US citizens when she was born.

“The birther claims against Nikki Haley are totally baseless as a legal and constitutional matter,” Laurence Tribe, professor emeritus at Harvard Law School, told NBC

“I can’t imagine what Trump hopes to gain by those claims unless it’s to play the race card against the former governor and UN ambassador as a woman of colour – and to draw on the wellsprings of anti-immigrant prejudice by reminding everyone that Haley’s parents weren’t citizens when she was born in the USA.”

‘Totally baseless’: Trump denounced for Nikki Haley ‘birther’ lie

Former president promotes racist conspiracy theory that Haley, born in South Carolina and a US citizen, is not qualified for office

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

And everybody knows that Trump will never come to Europes aid if Russia gets serious. He told the EU in 2020. That would certainly solve the Ukraine issue - along with Georgia, Finland, the Baltic states.

What is the chance a Trump Presidency would support Australia or Taiwan ? Buckley's and none.

Trump told EU that US would never help Europe under attack - EU official​

By Andrew Gray and Charlotte Van Campenhout
January 11, 20248:15 AM GMT+11Updated 5 hours ago

Then-U.S. President Donald Trump speaks dutring a bilateral meeting with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen during the 50th World Economic Forum (WEF) annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, January 21, 2020. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst/File Photo Acquire Licensing Rights
BRUSSELS/ AMSTERDAM, Jan 10 (Reuters) - Donald Trump told top European officials while he was U.S. president that the United States would never help Europe if it came under attack, according to a high-level EU official.

Thierry Breton, a French commissioner who is responsible for the European Union's internal market, said Trump made the remarks to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen at the World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2020.

Breton recounted his recollection of the meeting, which he also attended, at a panel discussion in Brussels on Tuesday. His comments prompted sharp criticism of Trump on Wednesday from U.S. President Joe Biden's campaign for re-election.

"You need to understand that if Europe is under attack, we will never come to help you and to support you," Breton quoted Trump as saying during the Davos meeting.

"By the way, NATO is dead, and we will leave, we will quit NATO," Trump also said, according to Breton, speaking at an event hosted by the Renew Europe political party at the European Parliament.

"And by the way, you owe me $400 billion, because you didn’t pay, you Germans, what you had to pay for defense," Breton quoted Trump as saying.

https://www.reuters.com/world/we-will-never-help-europe-under-attack-eu-official-cites-trump-saying-2024-01-10/

 

[farmerge]

And everybody knows that Trump will never come to Europes aid if Russia gets serious. He told the EU in 2020. That would certainly solve the Ukraine issue - along with Georgia, Finland, the Baltic states.

What is the chance a Trump Presidency would support Australia or Taiwan ? Buckley's and none.

Trump told EU that US would never help Europe under attack - EU official​

By Andrew Gray and Charlotte Van Campenhout
January 11, 20248:15 AM GMT+11Updated 5 hours ago

Then-U.S. President Donald Trump speaks dutring a bilateral meeting with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen during the 50th World Economic Forum (WEF) annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, January 21, 2020. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst/File Photo Acquire Licensing Rights
BRUSSELS/ AMSTERDAM, Jan 10 (Reuters) - Donald Trump told top European officials while he was U.S. president that the United States would never help Europe if it came under attack, according to a high-level EU official.

Thierry Breton, a French commissioner who is responsible for the European Union's internal market, said Trump made the remarks to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen at the World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2020.

Breton recounted his recollection of the meeting, which he also attended, at a panel discussion in Brussels on Tuesday. His comments prompted sharp criticism of Trump on Wednesday from U.S. President Joe Biden's campaign for re-election.

"You need to understand that if Europe is under attack, we will never come to help you and to support you," Breton quoted Trump as saying during the Davos meeting.

"By the way, NATO is dead, and we will leave, we will quit NATO," Trump also said, according to Breton, speaking at an event hosted by the Renew Europe political party at the European Parliament.

"And by the way, you owe me $400 billion, because you didn’t pay, you Germans, what you had to pay for defense," Breton quoted Trump as saying.

https://www.reuters.com/world/we-will-never-help-europe-under-attack-eu-official-cites-trump-saying-2024-01-10/

I think this statement though maybe second hand, really shows the core of The Trumpet.
It is to be hoped that his POTUS was a one off only.
There are more than enough mad fools in the world and another proven one is not needed.
No doubt rednecks would vermently disagree.

 

[wayneL]

Better prepare yourself for the God-Emperor term two, gents.

We are getting towards the business end of the election and Trump is the firming favorite (I got on at $4.20 fixed odds as per my post somewhere on the forum).

Rednecks rule, @farmerge

 

[SirRumpole]

I just can't see the appeal that this clown has.

It's obvious he's just out to enrich himself and his mates or avoid prosecution on a number of fronts.

What are his policies ? How will he make Americans better off ? Nothing.

He must be the most unsuited person for high office that the US has ever produced.

God save America if he gets back.

 

[wayneL]

I just can't see the appeal that this clown has.

It's obvious he's just out to enrich himself and his mates or avoid prosecution on a number of fronts.

What are his policies ? How will he make Americans better off ? Nothing.

He must be the most unsuited person for high office that the US has ever produced.

God save America if he gets back.

I profoundly disagree.

I don't think he is the best candidate, but if we look behind the media narrative at what the actual truth of the matter is, there are others which are profoundly worse, including Biden or whoever it is that is controlling him.

For what it's worth I think the most outstanding candidate by a country mile is Vivek. He's not going to get there, not this time anyway. But I hope he perseveres and runs again.

But the God-Emperor has unfinished business in trying to save the United States from the Marxism that has entrenched itself at all levels. It's a huge ask but it is a project which can be continued by the likes of Vivek inthe future.

I won't go through the respective policy positions, one should educate themselves, by themselves on that matter, if they can overcome their media-induced bias.

 

[SirRumpole]

I profoundly disagree.

I don't think he is the best candidate, but if we look behind the media narrative at what the actual truth of the matter is, there are others which are profoundly worse, including Biden or whoever it is that is controlling him.

For what it's worth I think the most outstanding candidate by a country mile is Vivek. He's not going to get there, not this time anyway. But I hope he perseveres and runs again.

But the God-Emperor has unfinished business in trying to save the United States from the Marxism that has entrenched itself at all levels. It's a huge ask but it is a project which can be continued by the likes of Vivek inthe future.

I won't go through the respective policy positions, one should educate themselves, by themselves on that matter, if they can overcome their media-induced bias.

Marxism, really ?

Examples please

 

[wayneL]

Marxism, really ?

Examples please

BLM
AOC and cohorts
Washington, Oregon and California
The majority of tenured professors at left wing universities, consequently many university attendees.
Many municipal authorities.

We indeed have the same problem here in Oz.

 

[farmerge]

I just can't see the appeal that this clown has.

It's obvious he's just out to enrich himself and his mates or avoid prosecution on a number of fronts.

What are his policies ? How will he make Americans better off ? Nothing.

He must be the most unsuited person for high office that the US has ever produced.

God save America if he gets back.

And probably half of the world also.

 

[SirRumpole]

BLM
AOC and cohorts
Washington, Oregon and California
The majority of tenured professors at left wing universities, consequently many university attendees.
Many municipal authorities.

We indeed have the same problem here in Oz.

BLM is just another movement that comes and goes and I think has just about gone. Even if it's still around what would you expect Trump to do about it? Ban it? Pretty impossible under the Constitution, free speech and all that.

 

[wayneL]

BLM
AOC and cohorts
Washington, Oregon and California
The majority of tenured professors at left wing universities, consequently many university attendees.
Many municipal authorities.

We indeed have the same problem here in Oz.

I'd like to expand on this a little bit. Perhaps one of the most commonly quoted acronyms in both the bureaucratic and corporate worlds is DEI.

DIVERSITY
EQUITY
INCLUSION.

Diversity and inclusion essentially two sides at the same coin and I am not if such is based on merit.

Different races/ethnicities, sexes or indeed "genders" should all be afforded the same opportunities to succeed, provided the candidates have the capabilities for the position.

However, selected for a position purely on the basis of diversity and inclusion, racial, or gender quotas etc, without regards to merit, it is indeed Marxist practice in effect.

Which brings me to the E in the DEI.

The E stands for equity, which is very different to equality. Quality is something that I am very much in favor of, in that I believe every person should have equal opportunity both in law access to financial and social opportunity.

That is not what equity is however. Equity is the principle of equal outcomes, irrespective of merit, effort, or natural ability.

The principle of equity is the most profoundly Marxist ideology which is now infecting our Western nations.

Therefore, Marxist ideology and aspirations are hiding in plain sight. It is everywhere in our society but the vast majority of people have been frogs slowly boiling in a pot, not really cognizant what is actually happening.

This has been the most operandi of the Fabian society for several decades now. Realising they could never achieve their goals via violent revolution, they switch to the strategy of gradualism, frogs in pots, and they have been very successful with it.

 

[wayneL]

BLM is just another movement that comes and goes and I think has just about gone. Even if it's still around what would you expect Trump to do about it? Ban it? Pretty impossible under the Constitution, free speech and all that.

Blm is typical of all Marxist organisations, preaching the pure vine in public, while either being capitalists in private or just skimming funds for the benefit of the leaders. Equity is only for the plebeians.

 

[SirRumpole]

However, selected for a position purely on the basis of diversity and inclusion, racial, or gender quotas etc, without regards to merit, it is indeed Marxist practice in effect.

I don't know if it's Marxism, but it's certainly undesirable.

I doubt if Marx had any concept of DEI.

But , word games aside if people think that Trump is the great protector of merit, then he is a pretty bad example of it himself.

However I agree that Leftist ideologies of inclusion for it's own sake is creeping up on us and we are like frogs in a pan of water slowly being bought to the boil in that regard.

I think we have more things to worry about that that though, like cost of living and housing prices.

Voters usually vote with their hip pockets both in the US and Australia. Whether that favours either side in the US I don't know.

 

[wayneL]

Well yes Marx was actually an anti-semite (in the popular usage sense as discussed before) and racist.

However ideologies evolve and metamorphose. Equity was most certainly a huge part of Marx's original manifesto, whereas you are correct that diversity and inclusion definitely was not.

They have become useful and powerful tools in the goal of equity (for plebeians) in the modern day.

 

[IFocus]

BLM is just another movement that comes and goes and I think has just about gone. Even if it's still around what would you expect Trump to do about it? Ban it? Pretty impossible under the Constitution, free speech and all that.

Its the brain washed total rubbish run by the extreme RWNJ's, BLM has no power, it didn't get elected, it has no status in the court system unlike ERWNJ's that are in the system dumb and dumber.

 

[basilio]

The quote “Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it” is attributed to the American philosopher George Santayana and it can be accurately quoted as “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” as stated in his work, The Life of Reason: Reason in Common Sense.

For most of us who arn't across the details of history check out what happened in Germany in 1933.

What Trump's lawyer was really advocating ​

America is not the Weimar Republic in its final days and Trump is not Hitler, but …​

Robert Reich
11 Jan 2024


Friends,
Trump’s lawyer, John Sauer, argued on Tuesday (before the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit) that a precondition for a president to face criminal trial is impeachment by Congress.

As Doug Gilbert noted in the comments to yesterday’s substack letter, a rogue president could avoid impeachment by simply imprisoning members of Congress who’d otherwise vote to impeach him.

In effect, John Sauer was arguing for the equivalent of the 1933 Enabling Law in Germany.



Ever since 2016, when Trump ran for president, I’ve been reading up on the history of the Weimar Republic and Hitler’s rise. (I list at the end of today’s letter the best books I’ve read on the subject.)

It’s become an ever-more terrifying story because of what Trump put us through in his one term as president and where he has already said he wants to take us if he gets a second term.

Don’t get me wrong. The United States is not the Weimar Republic on the eve of 1933. American democracy is far stronger. Our economy is much stronger. We have not been through a grueling and destructive world war. We are polarized, to be sure, but we are not on the verge of civil war.

And Donald Trump is no Adolf Hitler. Trump may be a sociopath but he is not as cruelly and cleverly demented as was Hitler.

But the parallels need to be understood.

Hitler’s success in moving Germany from democracy to fascism was not the result of a coup. Hitler used the democratic process to gain and then consolidate power. Once he had the power, he destroyed what remained of Germany’s democracy — and did it with remarkable speed.

This is why John Sauer’s argument on Tuesday before the D.C. Court of appeals is so chilling.

On March 23, 1933, the German Parliament — fearing more violence and civil war between communists and Nazis — voted by a large majority for the Enabling Act. It gave Hitler, who by then had been appointed chancellor by President von Hindenburg, the authority to enact new laws without interference from either the president or the Reichstag (the German Parliament) for four years.

Over the next four months, Hitler and his Nazi henchmen swept away most of the guarantees of freedom and the rule of law in the German constitution. They did this remarkably quickly by destroying every countervailing center of power.

They took over the governments of the individual states so that no possible opposition could come from places like perennially contrary Bavaria.

They took over radio stations and newspapers, under the direction of Joseph Goebbels’s new Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda.

They took over the civil service. The Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service allowed Hitler’s regime to dismiss from public service anyone whose political record did not “offer sufficient guarantee” that they would “at all times wholeheartedly stand up for the national state” or who were “non-Aryan.” University professors and private lawyers fell under its terms.

They outlawed other political parties. Hitler’s government issued a decree declaring the Nazis the sole political party in Germany.

They targeted Jews. A week after passage of the Enabling Act, Hitler’s government declared a boycott of Jewish businesses and professional offices.

They rounded up political opponents. Hitler said he planned to bring “ruthlessly to account” his political opponents and “the whole clique around this vermin.”

In March, the Nazis declared with great fanfare the creation of their first concentration camp, at Dachau, near Munich. The first wave of victims were Hitler’s political opponents — liberal, left-wing, or pacifist politicians, activists, journalists, writers, and lawyers. In nearly all cases, the prisoners were tortured and beaten. Many were murdered.

They took over the judiciary. After the German Supreme Court acquitted four communists against whom evidence was either nonexistent or fabricated, Hitler ordered the creation of a new court, the People’s Supreme Court, especially for political offenses. Judges were subject to dismissal for verdicts that displeased the Führer.

They took over the military and all civilian militia. Hitler put Hermann Göring in charge of the Prussian police. As early as February 17, Göring ordered all Prussian police officers to use their firearms against “enemies of the state.” On February 22, a further decree allowed members of the so-called “Patriotic Associations” — militia such as the SA, SS, and Steel Helmet — to become auxiliary police officers.


All democracies are fragile. They depend on political leaders who believe in them and put the constitution and rule of law over their personal ambitions. They depend on media that tell the truth. They depend on citizens who are intent on retaining their rights and freedoms, who feel deep allegiance to democratic norms, and who refuse to follow demagogues.

We are not the Weimar Republic in early 1933, but there is cause for concern nonetheless.

***

Sources:

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

Alan Bullock, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny.

Benjamin Carter Hett, The Death of Democracy: Hitler’s Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic.

Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, Hitler’s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust.

Peter Ross Range, The Unfathomable Ascent: How Hitler Came to Power.

Peter Fritzsche, Hitler’s First Hundred Days.

Robert Reich | Substack

Professor, writer, former Secretary of Labor, author of The System, The Common Good, Saving Capitalism, Aftershock, Supercapitalism, The Work of Nations. Co-creator of "Inequality for All" and "Saving Capitalism." Co-founder of Inequality Media

substack.com

 

[basilio]

A Sobering Look at How Quickly Hitler Transformed Germany (Published 2020)

In “Hitler’s First Hundred Days,” Peter Fritzsche charts the audacious and swift changes that occurred once Hitler had been appointed chancellor.

www.nytimes.com

The Unfathomable Ascent: How Hitler Came to Power

The chilling story of Adolf Hitler's eight-year march t…

www.goodreads.com

 

[wayneL]

Its the brain washed total rubbish run by the extreme RWNJ's, BLM has no power, it didn't get elected, it has no status in the court system unlike ERWNJ's that are in the system dumb and dumber.

Emotive, without a hint of ojectivity.

Who are these ERWNJs in the system? Just normal conservatives I imagine.

 

[SirRumpole]

Who are these ERWNJs in the system? Just normal conservatives I imagine.

So lets play a mind game.

If we have a political scale where 0 is extreme Left wing Marxist and 100 is an extreme Right Wing dictator, where would we rank say John Howard, who I think is probably a "normal Conservative" as you say, and Donald Trump?

I would rate Howard at around 60 , but Trump has to be 95 at least, having no concept of his responsibility under the Law and Constitution and thinking that the world revolves around himself.

So there is a spectrum. When Howard lost in 2007, he just said "that's it, I'm history", and bowed out gracefully like you would expect of any "normal conservative" who upheld the institutions of democracy. On the other hand, Trump spat the dummy, and attacked the institutions that put him in power then took it away.

Trump is no "normal conservative", he is the archetypal ERWNJ.

 

[wayneL]

So lets play a mind game.

If we have a political scale where 0 is extreme Left wing Marxist and 100 is an extreme Right Wing dictator, where would we rank say John Howard, who I think is probably a "normal Conservative" as you say, and Donald Trump?

I would rate Howard at around 60 , but Trump has to be 95 at least, having no concept of his responsibility under the Law and Constitution and thinking that the world revolves around himself.

So there is a spectrum. When Howard lost in 2007, he just said "that's it, I'm history", and bowed out gracefully like you would expect of any "normal conservative" who upheld the institutions of democracy. On the other hand, Trump spat the dummy, and attacked the institutions that put him in power then took it away.

Trump is no "normal conservative", he is the archetypal ERWNJ.

Well that is an extremely subjective assessment that you have based on one single factor and speaks nothing to actual policy.

Using this basis that you have highlighted here then that would make Biden about 100 due to the unconstitutional effort to try and remove himm from the ballot. That is third world dictator stuff.

When was remember that Trump used to be a member of the democratic Party and policy wise remains probably an old school liberal.

Trump is a victim of the radical framing of what is left and right and on your scale by any objective measure would probably also be at around a 60.

As far as the last election goes anyone who doesn't think that there was a degree of manipulation has rocks in their head and we could discuss that if you like