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[Knobby22]

For...???

Maybe read the article?

 

[moXJO]

Hey Mo

Have you been paying attention to the Durham trial?

If so, what are your thoughts on it?


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Have not been keeping up with any of it. My thoughts are that it will be swept under the carpet for the latest crazy headline.

It's going to be a series of absolute bs from either side to swing numbers.

 

[Knobby22]

So the lofty bar you have to clear for American hero is *checks notes* to not commit a crime.

 

[basilio]

So the lofty bar you have to clear for American hero is *checks notes* to not commit a crime.
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Bit unfair Knobby. I suggest the "heroic" element of Mike Pence was standing up to the lies and criminality of Donald Trump when he relentlessly refused to accept the result of the Presidential election and plotted and schemed to overthrow the results. Not a small deal IMV and well worth respect.

What would make Mike a real Hero would be publicly denouncing Trump and his followers for their continued denial of the election results and their ongoing efforts to undermine the election process in the US. To date there have only been a few Republicans with the courage to take that stand. Naturally the former Liar in Chief has relentlessly trashed them at every opportunity.

What a xxxxing sick world we live in.

 

[DB008]

This Was The Most Secure Election in US History
? ? ?

LOL



Maricopa County, Arizona

A complete joke

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[basilio]

Why would you ask for a preemptive Presidential pardon if you believed you hadn't committed any crime ? Or is it just safer to get a carte blanc "Get out of Jail Free" card so you can do what you like without having to worry whether it;s criminal?

Seems as if a number of Republicans lined up for a GOJF card before Trump couldn't sign any more.

Capitol attack pardon revelations could spell doom for Trump and allies​

Disclosure that many House Republicans sought presidential pardon may show they believed election fraud claim was false


The House select committee investigating the Capitol attack revealed at its inaugural hearing that Donald Trump’s top Republican allies in Congress sought pardons after the January 6 insurrection, a major disclosure that bolstered the claim that the event amounted to a coup and is likely to cause serious scrutiny for those implicated.

The news that multiple House Republicans asked the Trump White House for pardons – an apparent consciousness of guilt – was one of three revelations portending potentially perilous legal and political moments to come for Trump and his allies.




January 6 hearing: Trump was at heart of plot that led to ‘attempted coup’

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At the hearing, the panel’s vice-chair Liz Cheney named only one Republican member of Congress, congressman Scott Perry, the current chair of the ultra conservative House freedom caucus, who sought a presidential pardon for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

The select committee did not elaborate on which other House Republicans were asking for pardons or more significantly, for which crimes they were seeking pardons, but it appeared to show at the minimum that they knew they had been involved in likely illegal conduct.

The extraordinary claim also raised the prospect that the Republican members of Congress seeking clemency believed Trump’s election fraud claims were baseless: for why would they need pardons if they really were only raising legitimate questions about the election.

“It’s hard to find a more explicit statement of consciousness of guilt than looking for a pardon for actions you’ve just taken, assisting in a plan to overthrow the results of a presidential election,” Jamie Raskin, a member of the select committee, told reporters.

Willful blindness

The disclosure about the pardons came during the opening hour of the hearing where the panel made the case that Trump could not credibly believe he had won the 2020 election after some of his most senior advisors told him repeatedly that he had lost to Joe Biden.

Trump, according to videos of closed-door depositions played by the select committee, was told by his data experts he lost the election, told by former attorney general Bill Barr that his election fraud claims were “bull****”, a conclusion Ivanka Trump said she accepted.

The admissions by some of Trump’s top aides are important since they could put federal prosecutors one step closer to being able to charge Trump with obstructing an official proceeding or defrauding the United States on the basis of election fraud claims he knew were false.

It’s hard to find a more explicit statement of consciousness of guilt than looking for a pardon for actions you’ve just taken

Jamie Raskin
At the heart of the case the panel appears to be trying to make is the legal doctrine of “willful blindness”, as former US attorney Joyce Vance wrote for MSNBC, which says a defendant cannot say they weren’t aware of something if they were credibly notified of the truth.

The potential case against Trump might take the form that he could not use, as his defense against charges he violated the law to stop Biden’s certification on January 6, that he believed there was election fraud, when he had been credibly notified it was “bull****”.

Capitol attack pardon revelations could spell doom for Trump and allies

Disclosure that many House Republicans sought presidential pardon may show they believed election fraud claim was false

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

When was the last time a mob attacked and overthrew an elected US government ? Who did it ? Why ?
Well worth a read. Very apposite in 2022

Wilmington 1898: When white supremacists overthrew a US government​

By Toby Luckhurst
BBC News

Published
17 January 2021


Related Topics

• US Capitol riots

Image source, Getty Images
Image caption,
The mob burned down the offices of the Wilmington Daily Record
A violent mob, whipped into a frenzy by politicians, tearing apart a town to overthrow the elected government.

Following state elections in 1898, white supremacists moved into the US port of Wilmington, North Carolina, then the largest city in the state. They destroyed black-owned businesses, murdered black residents, and forced the elected local government - a coalition of white and black politicians - to resign en masse.

Historians have described it as the only coup in US history. Its ringleaders took power the same day as the insurrection and swiftly brought in laws to strip voting and civil rights from the state's black population. They faced no consequences.

Wilmington's story has been thrust into the spotlight after a violent mob assaulted the US Capitol on 6 January, seeking to stop the certification of November's presidential election result. More than 120 years after its insurrection, the city is still grappling with its violent past.

Wilmington 1898: When white supremacists overthrew a US government

In 1898 a white mob stormed Wilmington, North Carolina and forced locally elected leaders to resign.

www.bbc.com

The Wilmington Massacre of African Americans 1898

The Wilmington massacre is American Terrorism at its finest against African Americans in the U.S. It occurred on November 10 1898 in North Carolina.

iloveancestry.com

 

[rederob]

@DB008 has me on ignore, so won't see this post.
It's testimony from various Trump aides that confirms his voter fraud claims were nonsense.
Worse still, Trump was regarded as "detached from reality":

 

[basilio]

@DB008 has me on ignore, so won't see this post.
It's testimony from various Trump aides that confirms his voter fraud claims were nonsense.
Worse still, Trump was regarded as "detached from reality":

Yes DB would neither read nor in any universe accept that the last Presidential election results were honest and true.

Frankly that means nothing.
What is far more meaningful is that 100 plus Congressional Republican candidates are singing the same song and regurgitating the Big Trump Lie.
It's the reality that practically every Conservative commentator is either actively sprouting the Big Lie or refusing to acknowledge the election results were honest and that the current Biden Government is legitimate

Another disturbing reality is that the Republicans are busy taking over State offices that oversee election results and putting in people who publicly support the Big lie.

The reason why Biden was finally elected in 2020 was that electoral officials in Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada did not succumb to the intense pressure from Donald Trump to declare him the winner regardless of the votes. Many of those officials seem likely to be replaced by people who will corrupt the results of the next election.

There is a very extensive Wiki article on the US 2020 Presidential election. IMV it is well worth reading the Aftermath section which documents the extraordinary lengths Donald Trump took to overturn the results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Aftermath

 

[rederob]

Yes DB would neither read nor in any universe accept that the last Presidential election results were honest and true.

Frankly that means nothing.
What is far more meaningful is that 100 plus Congressional Republican candidates are singing the same song and regurgitating the Big Trump Lie.
It's the reality that practically every Conservative commentator is either actively sprouting the Big Lie or refusing to acknowledge the election results were honest and that the current Biden Government is legitimate

Another disturbing reality is that the Republicans are busy taking over State offices that oversee election results and putting in people who publicly support the Big lie.

The reason why Biden was finally elected in 2020 was that electoral officials in Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada did not succumb to the intense pressure from Donald Trump to declare him the winner regardless of the votes. Many of those officials seem likely to be replaced by people who will corrupt the results of the next election.

There is a very extensive Wiki article on the US 2020 Presidential election. IMV it is well worth reading the Aftermath section which documents the extraordinary lengths Donald Trump took to overturn the results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Aftermath

What is more alarming about America is that there is overwhelming evidence now from the key people from Trump's entourage at the time that disputes his mad rantings.
You only need to read Trump's 12 page diatribe from the other day to realise he is unhinged, yet able to con his faithful into believing him. It is the same with Putin and his lies about Ukrainian Nazis that so many of his supporters also believe.

 

[moXJO]

You two need to lay off the weed.

 

[IFocus]

You two need to lay off the weed.

It will be interesting to see if charges are brought against Trump clearly everyone else is running for cover.

The other one is how it will play out if at all in the mid terms but I think the down turn in the economy will be a bigger factor.

 

[moXJO]

It will be interesting to see if charges are brought against Trump clearly everyone else is running for cover.

The other one is how it will play out if at all in the mid terms but I think the down turn in the economy will be a bigger factor.

Another election cycle and dems are desperate to take the public's eye off the mess of an economy that they created. What's their go to?
Why it's the Trump card of course.

I haven't been following it but I doubt they have anything.

 

[Craton]

Another election cycle and dems are desperate to take the public's eye off the mess of an economy that they created. What's their go to?
Why it's the Trump card of course.

I haven't been following it but I doubt they have anything.

So much juiciness I can barely wait for the next installment.

For me these hearings are quite riveting as the Jan 6th attack on the White House was an attack on the fundamental law that constitutes the democracy of the USA.
How in the hell could this happen in the land of the free and the so-called "greatest democracy of all"?

The January 6th Select Committee hearings have been a real treat and certainly doesn't vindicate the ex-POTUS at all, in fact, quite the opposite.

I think the one person who can hold their head up high is the ex-VPOTUS, Mike Spence.
Unlike his boss, he kept his oath of office to fulfill his public duty and didn't bow to the pressure from his party's boss which; was to violate the law of the land and hence violate the constitution and more specifically, the 12th Amendment.

A big revelation and tragic fact so far is that the ex-POTUS ran fund raising campaigns after the 4 Nov 2020 result which, in the first week alone netted $100M with some $250M in total.
One such fund e.g. is the nonexistent Election Defense Fund and a snippet from that article:

Unethical but not illegal


Campaign finance experts say Trump's solicitation of funds for a nonexistent Election Defense Fund, and subsequent direction of that money to his leadership PAC was unethical, but probably stopped short of outright illegality.


"There's certainly a long list of examples of politicians and political committees stretching the truth or using inflammatory messaging in order to raise money," campaign finance expert Brendan Fischer told VOA. "But I think what the Trump campaign was doing in the wake of the 2020 election brought it to another level."


Fischer, an attorney and the deputy executive director at Documented, an investigative watchdog group, said donors were told their money was going to support a legal challenge.


"But in reality, the money raised went towards paying down the Trump campaign's debt, funding the Republican Party and financing Trump's newly created PAC, Save America. So, it was extremely messy. It went beyond the typical tenor of misleading fundraising appeals into something close to outright fraud."

Maguire of CREW said there were "very clear" ethical problems with how Trump raised the money. But he said the fundraising effort was probably legal.

"These kinds of statements and fundraising appeals are pretty well lawyered," he said, noting that the appeals appeared to contain fine print that left the Trump campaign the leeway to use the money as it saw fit.

Other groups focused on the ethical problems with Trump's approach.

"It was grift*, pure and simple, but on a massive scale," said Karen Hobert Flynn, president of Common Cause, in a prepared statement. "Donald Trump was not content to just ignore the will of the American people and attempt to steal the 2020 election in a wide-ranging criminal conspiracy. He was determined to make a lot of money doing it."

grift* - to acquire money or property illicitly.

Anyway, the big take so far is that the ex-POTUS refused to acknowledge defeat or heed the advice from some many of his team. Some, in good conscious, resigned their positions e.g. former AG Bill Barr

As soon as he started spouting about fraud and steal with the votes I said to myself at the time, that this ex-POTUS should never be allowed to run for or hold public office again. Will that indeed end up being the very least that is legally imposed on him?

 

[DB008]

So, it's ok for the DNC and Hillary to ask questions, but when the 2020 Election with so much evidence is suggested, it's a conspiracy.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

How did society become so sheep...??

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The Mesa County database was completely wiped and re-populated days after the 2020 Election.
A complete and utter joke.
Nope, not allowed to ask questions.....sheep....
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[DB008]

This Was The Most Secure Election in US History
? ? ?

LOL


SHEEP

Nothing to see here, move along peeps

The 2020 Election was a complete joke.

Oh, they are also cheating on the Reps (RINOS) side too....



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[basilio]

I suppose if one doesn't want to believe anything seriously untoward happened as Trump went from President to ex President then closing ones eyes , ears and mind is as good a way as any. However in the real world the latest disclosures from the Jab 6th committee are coming out. The focus will be on Donald Trump role in creating false slates of electors as well as trying to coerce Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger into "finding" an extra 11,780 votes that would eneable Trump to win Georgia.

Incidentally Brad will be testifying live at the next public hearing. Well worth a pack of popcorn and a beer.

Donald Trump plotted fake electors scheme, January 6 panel set to show​

Committee also expected to probe Trump’s pressure on officials in crucial states to corruptly reverse his election defeat

If Donald Trump was involved in the fake electors scheme, the former president may face a criminal investigation. Photograph: Evan Vucci/AP

Hugo Lowell in Washington DC
Tue 21 Jun 2022 02.21 BST


The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack is expected to show at its fourth hearing on Tuesday that Donald Trump and top advisers coordinated the scheme to send fake slates of electors as part of an effort to return him to the White House.
The panel is expected to also examine Trump’s campaign to pressure top officials in seven crucial battleground states to corruptly reverse his defeat to Joe Biden in the weeks and months after the 2020 election.

At the afternoon hearing, the select committee is expected to focus heavily on the fake electors scheme, which has played a large part in its nearly year-long investigation into Trump’s effort to overturn the results of the election at the state level.

Liz Cheney’s condemnation of Trump’s lies wins over Democrats
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The panel will show how the fake electors scheme – which may have been illegal – was the underlying basis for Trump’s unlawful strategy to have his vice-president, Mike Pence, refuse to certify Biden’s win in certain states and grant him a second term.

If the 2020 election cycle had been like any other when the electoral college convened on 14 December 2020 and Democratic electors attested to Biden’s victory over Trump, that would have marked the end of any post-election period conflict.

But that year, after the authorized Democratic electors met at statehouses to formally name Biden as president, in seven battleground states, illegitimate Republican electors arrived too, saying they had come to instead name Trump as president.

The Trump electors were turned away. However, they nonetheless proceeded to sign fake election certificates that declared they were the “duly elected and qualified” electors certifying Trump as the winner of the presidential election in their state.

The fake electors scheme was conceived in an effort to create “dueling” slates of electors that Pence could use to pretend the election was in doubt and refuse to formalize Biden’s win at the congressional certification on 6 January.


Kinzinger: Trump’s actions surrounding January 6 amount to ‘seditious conspiracy’
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And, the select committee will show, the fake election certificates were in part manufactured by the Trump White House, and that the entire fake electors scheme was coordinated by Trump and his top advisers, including former chief of staff Mark Meadows.

“We will show evidence of the president’s involvement in this scheme,” congressman Adam Schiff, the select committee member leading the hearing alongside the panel’s chairman, Bennie Thompson, and vice-chair, Liz Cheney, said on CNN on Sunday.

The fake electors scheme is important because it could be a crime. The justice department is investigating whether the Republicans who signed as electors for Trump could be charged with falsifying voting documents, mail fraud or conspiracy to defraud the United States.

If Trump was involved in the scheme, and the justice department pursues a case, then the former US president may also have criminal exposure. At least one federal grand jury in Washington is investigating the scheme and the involvement of top Trump election lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani.

The select committee is also set to closely focus on Trump’s pressure campaign on leading Republican state officials in the weeks and months after the election, according to a committee aide who previewed the hearing on a briefing call with reporters.


‘A one-sided witch-hunt’: angry Trump lashes out at January 6 hearings
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Among other key flash points that the panel intends to examine include Trump’s now-infamous 2 January 2021 call with Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger – who will testify live at the hearing – when Trump asked him to “find” votes to make him win the election.

“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump said during the conversation, a tape of which was obtained by the Washington Post and House investigators working for the select committee.

The select committee will describe Trump pressuring other state officials to investigate election fraud claims his own White House and campaign lawyers knew were false, relying on testimony from Arizona House speaker Rusty Bowers.

And the panel will additionally hear testimony from Shaye Moss, a Georgia election worker in Fulton County, who was falsely accused by Giuliani and others of sneaking in “suitcases” of ballots for Biden – a conspiracy debunked by election officials.

Donald Trump plotted fake electors scheme, January 6 panel set to show

Committee also expected to probe Trump’s pressure on officials in crucial states to corruptly reverse his election defeat

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Triangle]

I suppose if one doesn't want to believe anything seriously untoward happened as Trump went from President to ex President then closing ones eyes , ears and mind is as good a way as any. However in the real world the latest disclosures from the Jab 6th committee are coming out. The focus will be on Donald Trump role in creating false slates of electors as well as trying to coerce Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger into "finding" an extra 11,780 votes that would eneable Trump to win Georgia.

Incidentally Brad will be testifying live at the next public hearing. Well worth a pack of popcorn and a beer.

Donald Trump plotted fake electors scheme, January 6 panel set to show​

Committee also expected to probe Trump’s pressure on officials in crucial states to corruptly reverse his election defeat
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If Donald Trump was involved in the fake electors scheme, the former president may face a criminal investigation. Photograph: Evan Vucci/AP

Hugo Lowell in Washington DC
Tue 21 Jun 2022 02.21 BST


The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack is expected to show at its fourth hearing on Tuesday that Donald Trump and top advisers coordinated the scheme to send fake slates of electors as part of an effort to return him to the White House.
The panel is expected to also examine Trump’s campaign to pressure top officials in seven crucial battleground states to corruptly reverse his defeat to Joe Biden in the weeks and months after the 2020 election.

At the afternoon hearing, the select committee is expected to focus heavily on the fake electors scheme, which has played a large part in its nearly year-long investigation into Trump’s effort to overturn the results of the election at the state level.
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Liz Cheney’s condemnation of Trump’s lies wins over Democrats
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The panel will show how the fake electors scheme – which may have been illegal – was the underlying basis for Trump’s unlawful strategy to have his vice-president, Mike Pence, refuse to certify Biden’s win in certain states and grant him a second term.

If the 2020 election cycle had been like any other when the electoral college convened on 14 December 2020 and Democratic electors attested to Biden’s victory over Trump, that would have marked the end of any post-election period conflict.

But that year, after the authorized Democratic electors met at statehouses to formally name Biden as president, in seven battleground states, illegitimate Republican electors arrived too, saying they had come to instead name Trump as president.

The Trump electors were turned away. However, they nonetheless proceeded to sign fake election certificates that declared they were the “duly elected and qualified” electors certifying Trump as the winner of the presidential election in their state.

The fake electors scheme was conceived in an effort to create “dueling” slates of electors that Pence could use to pretend the election was in doubt and refuse to formalize Biden’s win at the congressional certification on 6 January.

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Kinzinger: Trump’s actions surrounding January 6 amount to ‘seditious conspiracy’
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And, the select committee will show, the fake election certificates were in part manufactured by the Trump White House, and that the entire fake electors scheme was coordinated by Trump and his top advisers, including former chief of staff Mark Meadows.

“We will show evidence of the president’s involvement in this scheme,” congressman Adam Schiff, the select committee member leading the hearing alongside the panel’s chairman, Bennie Thompson, and vice-chair, Liz Cheney, said on CNN on Sunday.

The fake electors scheme is important because it could be a crime. The justice department is investigating whether the Republicans who signed as electors for Trump could be charged with falsifying voting documents, mail fraud or conspiracy to defraud the United States.

If Trump was involved in the scheme, and the justice department pursues a case, then the former US president may also have criminal exposure. At least one federal grand jury in Washington is investigating the scheme and the involvement of top Trump election lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani.

The select committee is also set to closely focus on Trump’s pressure campaign on leading Republican state officials in the weeks and months after the election, according to a committee aide who previewed the hearing on a briefing call with reporters.

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‘A one-sided witch-hunt’: angry Trump lashes out at January 6 hearings
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Among other key flash points that the panel intends to examine include Trump’s now-infamous 2 January 2021 call with Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger – who will testify live at the hearing – when Trump asked him to “find” votes to make him win the election.

“I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump said during the conversation, a tape of which was obtained by the Washington Post and House investigators working for the select committee.

The select committee will describe Trump pressuring other state officials to investigate election fraud claims his own White House and campaign lawyers knew were false, relying on testimony from Arizona House speaker Rusty Bowers.

And the panel will additionally hear testimony from Shaye Moss, a Georgia election worker in Fulton County, who was falsely accused by Giuliani and others of sneaking in “suitcases” of ballots for Biden – a conspiracy debunked by election officials.

Donald Trump plotted fake electors scheme, January 6 panel set to show

Committee also expected to probe Trump’s pressure on officials in crucial states to corruptly reverse his election defeat

www.theguardian.com

Waste of good popcorn... A committee full of Trump haters concluding Trump did bad is like a committee full of republicans concluding the Queen should be dumped as head of state. This is yet another reason why American approval of congress sits at near historic lows... Maybe they should be working on things that actually affect the average American moving forward? None of this will matter after a few months when the democrats lose the house and senate.

We've learned nothing new and the media is sill riding Trump and the same old tired stories that they knew about this time last year. Whatever they claimed Trump did do - or was planning to do - was and is irrelevant. He didn't have any say or authority over any of these election processes or officials anyways. Now if he gave orders to the military to takeover voting stations and burn ballots that would be worthy of a news story. So far after a year and a half we know TDS is alive and well and that Trump is still a sore loser, whoop-di-doo.

 

[Knobby22]

Waste of good popcorn... A committee full of Trump haters concluding Trump did bad is like a committee full of republicans concluding the Queen should be dumped as head of state. This is yet another reason why American approval of congress sits at near historic lows... Maybe they should be working on things that actually affect the average American moving forward? None of this will matter after a few months when the democrats lose the house and senate.

We've learned nothing new and the media is sill riding Trump and the same old tired stories that they knew about this time last year. Whatever they claimed Trump did do - or was planning to do - was and is irrelevant. He didn't have any say or authority over any of these election processes or officials anyways. Now if he gave orders to the military to takeover voting stations and burn ballots that would be worthy of a news story. So far after a year and a half we know TDS is alive and well and that Trump is still a sore loser, whoop-di-doo.

People died, cops died. It could have been much worse.
He broke the law. Lets see if any charges are applied.
At least after this the facts will be recorded. If it was Australia it would be a Royal Commission but unfortunately the USA has an inferior system.

 

[Craton]

People died, cops died. It could have been much worse.
He broke the law. Lets see if any charges are applied.
At least after this the facts will be recorded. If it was Australia it would be a Royal Commission but unfortunately the USA has an inferior system.

The death of innocents by armed and incessant sheeple that bought heavily into and blinded by the lies espoused by the exPOTUS, surely if the way these deaths occurred was because of the abuse of power, then these deaths become more that just abhorrent...

Will be watching as these hearings are IMHO, far and away better viewing that the fictional dramas like the soapies that vast numbers view on a daily basis.