Does Gillard inspire confidence?

Julia · 4 July 2010

noco said:
I can't help be inspired by Gillard. She is cool, crafty and spontaneous and knows how to push people's buttons. She certainly wants to stay in power at all costs and at the rate she is going that may well happen.

That's a generous admission, noco, given your dedication to the other side.
I'm feeling similarly. So far, she's doing exceptionally well.

I still would not vote for her because of her record on the handling of the BER scheme but she may well prove me wrong, but history shows Labor are big spenders and high taxers.

Agree absolutely about the BER. But I'm just waiting for her to begin throwing Tony Abbott's "big bad tax" phrase back at him with respect to his ridiculously generous maternity leave scheme. It beats me how he can bleat on about Labor's big bad tax when he's going to deliver a hit right across the business community. I think the average (non-pregnant) voter isn't going to be too impressed with their tax dollars funding six months' leave for a woman on $150,000 p.a.

It will be interesting to see what Ms Gillard comes up with re asylum seekers.
I think she's smart enough to find something which will appease the very disparate points of view.

noco · 4 July 2010

I think the average (non-pregnant) voter isn't going to be too impressed with their tax dollars funding six months' leave for a woman on $150,000 p.a.

Julia, when one looks at the possibility of a career woman on $150,000 pa., becoming prenant, I believe it would be fairly remote.
At that rate of remuneration, she would have to be in a highly professional position and most likely single or has had kids which are now off her hands. One would have to doubt there would be too many in that situation. I would be interested to know what the stats are.

gav · 4 July 2010

It's hardly the point though Noco. If you choose to have kids, that's fine. But it shouldn't be up to the rest of us to pay for it. Perhaps this is Abbot's attempt to lure female and 'working family' votes.

lockhart · 4 July 2010

Noco,
When are people like you going to learn some respect?
Regardless of whether Prime Minister Gillard inspires confidence or not,
(and that can only be answered by the next election)
she is still the Prime Minister and deserves the respect that comes with the office.
This thread has developed into a "them and us" debate which has very little to do with buying and selling shares.
I personally think that The Prime Minister will be re-elected because the Leader of the Opposition, Mr Abbott, spends too much time knocking anything and everything that comes from the government. Many people fear greatly that he is a reincarnation of ex Prime Minister Howard who, if you remember, was soundly rejected at the last election.
If however, Mr Abbott should succeed, then I shall afford him the respect he will deserve by becoming the Prime Minister.
So cheer up, you may get your way but all the "knocking" against the present incumbent will not have the slighest influence on the end result.

noco · 4 July 2010

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gav said:
It's hardly the point though Noco. If you choose to have kids, that's fine. But it shouldn't be up to the rest of us to pay for it. Perhaps this is Abbot's attempt to lure female and 'working family' votes.

Gav, I believe the Abbott scheme would paid for by a temporary levy on business and not the tax payer.
The Labor scheme I believe will be paid for by the tax payer.
I stand corrected if I'm wrong.

explod · 4 July 2010

noco said:
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Gav, I believe the Abbott scheme would paid for by a temporary levy on business and not the tax payer.
The Labor scheme I believe will be paid for by the tax payer.
I stand corrected if I'm wrong.

Whether we like it or not Gillard is inspiring many people I meet down here on the Mount Martha strip so think she will be home. The other issue is that Green support is growing a great deal due to fear that the other parties are not addressing many issues. Abbott and the Liberals are being marginalised in my opinion.

Calliope · 4 July 2010

explod said:
Whether we like it or not Gillard is inspiring many people I meet down here on the Mount Martha strip so think she will be home.

She will never reach the level of popularity Rudd reached because she has no money left to give away. The miners' wealth she wants to redistribute to "working Australians" won't kick in for a year or two.

noco · 4 July 2010

lockhart said:
Noco,
When are people like you going to learn some respect?
Regardless of whether Prime Minister Gillard inspires confidence or not,
(and that can only be answered by the next election)
she is still the Prime Minister and deserves the respect that comes with the office.
This thread has developed into a "them and us" debate which has very little to do with buying and selling shares.
I personally think that The Prime Minister will be re-elected because the Leader of the Opposition, Mr Abbott, spends too much time knocking anything and everything that comes from the government. Many people fear greatly that he is a reincarnation of ex Prime Minister Howard who, if you remember, was soundly rejected at the last election.
If however, Mr Abbott should succeed, then I shall afford him the respect he will deserve by becoming the Prime Minister.
So cheer up, you may get your way but all the "knocking" against the present incumbent will not have the slighest influence on the end result.

lockhart, I can't recall where I have shown disrespect for Ms Gillard, in fact if you go back you will see I have mentioned how she has inspired me.

The respect you mention is a bit hypocritical when you listen to Ms. Gillard refer to Tony Abbot as 'loney Tony' or the 'mad monk' and Joe Hockey as 'sloppy joe'.

You mentioned about Abbott knocking everything and anything. If you were check out Hansard, I believe some 80% of bills were passed by the Coalition. The media never publish the the things that have been passed. As you know it is the Senate's job to scrutinize such bills and just as well they do.

I don't see where buying and selling shares comes into this debate and I don't recall any mention in previous posts. ASF does cover the share market and general chat where it is applicable.

I will agree with you, Howards rejection was of his own making similar to Kevin Rudd's demise. Voters thought he had been Prime Minister for too long and it was time for a change. A change which may or may not have been in the been in the best interest of all Australians. The difference of course as you are aware, Howard was voted out by the people, where as Rudd was disposed of by the union factions.

May I remind you the thread is about 'DOES GILLARD INSPIRE CONFIDENCE'?

It is up to you if you would like to qoute where Ms. Gillard has inspired you and let other ASF members have their opinion whether you think they are right or wrong.

moXJO · 4 July 2010

lockhart said:
Noco,
When are people like you going to learn some respect?
Regardless of whether Prime Minister Gillard inspires confidence or not,
(and that can only be answered by the next election)
she is still the Prime Minister and deserves the respect that comes with the office.

ROFL

NOW that is funny. I hope you don't like Koolaid.

explod said:
Whether we like it or not Gillard is inspiring many people I meet down here on the Mount Martha strip so think she will be home. The other issue is that Green support is growing a great deal due to fear that the other parties are not addressing many issues. Abbott and the Liberals are being marginalised in my opinion.

Yup so far Gillard has been doing well. Whether she is listening to the public because of ulterior motives or not I could really care less, so long as she is listening. I'm not a big fan of some of Abbotts policies and am leaning towards Gillard.

Calliope · 4 July 2010

Amanda Lampe, Gillard's Chief of Staff. I wonder if Tim Mathieson cuts her hair. Gillard calls her the Lampinator.

sails · 4 July 2010

If it were a popularity contest, yes, Julia would most likely get my vote.

But as it's about running our country, I'm not so sure. Her track record with BER and 2.5 years as deputy of the unbelievable spending spree doesn't inspire me at all.

Garpal Gumnut · 4 July 2010

sails said:
If it were a popularity contest, yes, Julia would most likely get my vote.

But as it's about running our country, I'm not so sure. Her track record with BER and 2.5 years as deputy of the unbelievable spending spree doesn't inspire me at all.

you can't fight it sails.

She's got the vibe. Its in the constitution. It don't matter how many millions she's wasted. Its the vibe.

gg

sails · 4 July 2010

Garpal Gumnut said:
you can't fight it sails.

She's got the vibe. Its in the constitution. It don't matter how many millions she's wasted. Its the vibe.

gg

Oh, but I can express an opinion...

So you don't care what damage she might do to the economy, GG?

Swan is next in line for the top job - now that is really scary...

JTLP · 4 July 2010

Garpal Gumnut said:
you can't fight it sails.

She's got the vibe. Its in the constitution. It don't matter how many millions she's wasted. Its the vibe.

gg

Thanks Dennis Denuto! I :heart: your posts GG...I never know if they are being facetious or straight faced...well played old chap.

Julia definitely has Tony against the ropes. He needs a massive point coming into the election to get himself over the line.

wayneL · 4 July 2010

lockhart said:
Noco,
When are people like you going to learn some respect?
Regardless of whether Prime Minister Gillard inspires confidence or not,
(and that can only be answered by the next election)
she is still the Prime Minister and deserves the respect that comes with the office.

PFFFT

In fact, double PFFFFFT.

Regardless of the office, in a liberal democracy respect must be earned, it is not automatic... and it can be easily lost.

Happy · 4 July 2010

wayneL said:
PFFFT

In fact, double PFFFFFT.

Regardless of the office, in a liberal democracy respect must be earned, it is not automatic... and it can be easily lost.

Reminds me another comment that: we democratically elect dictators !

Julia · 4 July 2010

noco said:
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Gav, I believe the Abbott scheme would paid for by a temporary levy on business and not the tax payer.
The Labor scheme I believe will be paid for by the tax payer.
I stand corrected if I'm wrong.

You are correct, noco, except that as far as I know there's no thought of the levy being temporary. As I recall the policy announcement, it was to be funded by a 2% levy on business owners. This will be even harder on them now that they won't be getting the 2% cut as a result of the mining deal.

explod said:
Whether we like it or not Gillard is inspiring many people I meet down here on the Mount Martha strip so think she will be home. The other issue is that Green support is growing a great deal due to fear that the other parties are not addressing many issues. Abbott and the Liberals are being marginalised in my opinion.

I agree. Tony Abbott does have in his favour, so far, his proposed mental health funding. I have heard several people say this will be a vote changer for them.

sails said:
If it were a popularity contest, yes, Julia would most likely get my vote.

But as it's about running our country, I'm not so sure. Her track record with BER and 2.5 years as deputy of the unbelievable spending spree doesn't inspire me at all.

Garpal Gumnut said:
you can't fight it sails.

She's got the vibe. Its in the constitution. It don't matter how many millions she's wasted. Its the vibe.

gg

I agree with both of you. Her paw prints are all over all the failed policies, not just the BER, but as gg points out she is on a total charm offensive and it's working really well. Moreover, she does seem to have genuine people and conciliatory skills which is very refreshing after Rudd.

sails said:
Swan is next in line for the top job - now that is really scary...

Sure is. I truly can't think of anyone worse.

Julia · 4 July 2010

lockhart said:
Noco,
When are people like you going to learn some respect?
Regardless of whether Prime Minister Gillard inspires confidence or not,
(and that can only be answered by the next election)
she is still the Prime Minister and deserves the respect that comes with the office.

What? Noco has not been disrespectful. This is a discussion about whether Ms Gillard inspires confidence. If any of us feel less than inspired by her, then of course we are going to say this.
There is no law that (at least so far) says we may not utter a word of criticism against any politician.

No such thing as "respect that comes with the office" imo. Any human being gets the level of respect they earn, politicians and Prime Ministers included.

This thread has developed into a "them and us" debate which has very little to do with buying and selling shares.

Um, it's not supposed to, for heaven's sake. It's a thread in the "General Chat" forum.

I

noco · 4 July 2010

Julia said:
You are correct, noco, except that as far as I know there's no thought of the levy being temporary. As I recall the policy announcement, it was to be funded by a 2% levy on business owners. This will be even harder on them now that they won't be getting the 2% cut as a result of the mining deal.
.

Julia, I believe the levey of 2% was temporary untill the budget gets back into surplus.

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