Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[trainspotter]

How come no one is attacking PM Joolyah Gizzard for the disgraceful way she has rubbed our faces in the carpet where we have just peed on?

1) What happened about the BER? Swept under the carpet? Billions Lost?
2) What about the asylum seeker fiasco? East Timor is still laughing at us!!
3) No carbon tax promise in election mode. Greens now get the carbon tax back on the agenda. Or is it because the miners say NO to the RSPT? Got to get the revenue from somewhere to pay back the debt.
4) Indigenous Health - Abolished the portfolio then reinstated Warren Snowdon??? WTF ???
5) Youth Allowance - Only 5,000 of the possible 300,000 eligible to receive assistance. Laughable !!!!!
6) Climate Change Committe - Like Grocery Watch - Didn't happen now did it?? Only 10 million wasted on this fiasco.
7) GP Super clinics - what a joke - all 3 are operational out of the 36 promised.
8) Hospital funding - no wait .... this was linked to the RSPT which is in tatters. So no hospitals have received extra funding? Next election brothers !
9) Cash for Clunkers programme. Only 3 cars are eligible in Australia to receive this funding when you trade up to a more fuel efficient car. The Holden Kruze, Toyota Hybrid Camry and the 4 cylinder Ford Falcon. Hahahhahahhahha ....... what a friggin joke. A 4 cylinder Ford Falcon.
10) Then there was the promise to save the Murray-Darling River system and the Great Barrier Reef. Ummmmmm .............. can a red headed female PM make it rain in the Murray Darling catchment area and stop the sun from bleaching the coral at the GBR? I think not !!!!!

This is just a small list of things that have come and gone on the political landscape and we sit back in our armchairs and do NOTHING about it !

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA !!!!!!! You are being duped again.

 

[Logique]

Nice post TS. You could add the years earlier 'Medicare Gold' to that list.

I've tried, I really have. I just can't warm to the woman.

We saw this week the Adelaide Hills community screaming blue murder - their native SA daughter inserting refugees into their community, without even telling them! Gillard had visited the area earlier, and had said nothing about it.

Making an analogy, this lady lives in '..bank world..' like on that tv ad.

ALP Minister Tony Burke (the one handling the Murray-Darling issues) seems a much more approachable and likeable person, pity the ALP doesn't have more like him.

Peter Garrett- sure he has a lot to learn, but the ALP (and his own department) have crucified him in my opinion.

 

[sails]

Yes TS, lots of money being spent on spin so they can "move forward" and distract from their failures:

Full article: Spin out of control

TAXPAYERS are forking out at least a quarter of a billion dollars a year to pay for an army of at least 3000 media advisers employed to "spin" political lines for state and federal governments.

The extraordinary figures reveal the dramatic rise in the number public servants hired to craft messages and keep the secrets for governments and their departments.

 

[sails]

Did anyone pick up on this? It looks like Windsor got $17M for a dam in his electorate three days BEFORE the election (when a hung parliament was a likely outcome). Had Windsor already been in talks with Labor and given allegiance to them prior to the election should he be needed in return for the dam? Was the whole 17 day thing just a show? Guess we will never know the answers, but it certainly raises some questions.

Full PDF: Media Release 18 August 2010

The Federal funding of nearly $17m for the augmentation of Chaffey Dam from 62 gigalitres to 100 gigalitres that has been announced today by the Minister for Water Senator Penny Wong has delighted the Independent Member for New England Tony Windsor.

 

[noco]

How come no one is attacking PM Joolyah Gizzard for the disgraceful way she has rubbed our faces in the carpet where we have just peed on?

1) What happened about the BER? Swept under the carpet? Billions Lost?
2) What about the asylum seeker fiasco? East Timor is still laughing at us!!
3) No carbon tax promise in election mode. Greens now get the carbon tax back on the agenda. Or is it because the miners say NO to the RSPT? Got to get the revenue from somewhere to pay back the debt.
4) Indigenous Health - Abolished the portfolio then reinstated Warren Snowdon??? WTF ???
5) Youth Allowance - Only 5,000 of the possible 300,000 eligible to receive assistance. Laughable !!!!!
6) Climate Change Committe - Like Grocery Watch - Didn't happen now did it?? Only 10 million wasted on this fiasco.
7) GP Super clinics - what a joke - all 3 are operational out of the 36 promised.
8) Hospital funding - no wait .... this was linked to the RSPT which is in tatters. So no hospitals have received extra funding? Next election brothers !
9) Cash for Clunkers programme. Only 3 cars are eligible in Australia to receive this funding when you trade up to a more fuel efficient car. The Holden Kruze, Toyota Hybrid Camry and the 4 cylinder Ford Falcon. Hahahhahahhahha ....... what a friggin joke. A 4 cylinder Ford Falcon.
10) Then there was the promise to save the Murray-Darling River system and the Great Barrier Reef. Ummmmmm .............. can a red headed female PM make it rain in the Murray Darling catchment area and stop the sun from bleaching the coral at the GBR? I think not !!!!!

This is just a small list of things that have come and gone on the political landscape and we sit back in our armchairs and do NOTHING about it !

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA !!!!!!! You are being duped again.

Good one TS.
I move we appoint TS Minister for the media and put a 'BOMB' under the lot of them. They are soooo weak when it comes to criticism of our Prime Minister. They let her get away with 'murder'.

 

[noco]

Julia Gillard has no idea how to stop the boat people and they are relishing the weakness of our Prime Minister and Minister Bowen says the public are showing hysteria. OMG. Where are they going to house the armada next month??????????????????

http://www.scottmorrison.com.au/info/pressrelease.aspx?id=514

 

[explod]

Julia Gillard has no idea how to stop the boat people and they are relishing the weakness of our Prime Minister and Minister Bowen says the public are showing hysteria. OMG. Where are they going to house the armada next month??????????????????

http://www.scottmorrison.com.au/info/pressrelease.aspx?id=514

What is your recommendation noco ?

Short of shooting them down in the boats it seems like a bad problem to me. I think, take them in, sort them out and send all the non-genuine ones back. Sorting them out on the mainland seems a good option as it employs our own people in the task and less double handling of the geniuine ones who are granted asylum.

 

[Julia]

What is your recommendation noco ?

Short of shooting them down in the boats it seems like a bad problem to me. I think, take them in, sort them out and send all the non-genuine ones back. Sorting them out on the mainland seems a good option as it employs our own people in the task and less double handling of the geniuine ones who are granted asylum.

Have you given any consideration to the thousands of refugees who have actually made application via UNHCR to come to Australia legally?
Do you really think it's fair that those who have $10,000 or whatever to pay people smugglers should have first bite at being resident in Australia?

Just consider as an hypothesis: you decide you'd be better off living in the USA. (It's only an example: don't get hysterical at the notion.)
So you make long winded application for entry, have to provide endless reams of documentation before you will even be considered, and then you are told 'well, maybe', and sent to wait in a camp in an intermediate country.

You stay there for several years, hearing nothing about the progress of your application to actually get to the USA where you will be given medical and dental treatment immediately on arrival, if proven to be genuine, you will receive social security benefits and assistance to find a job.

But amongst these years of waiting, there is boatload after boatload of people who have not bothered to make formal application but who have had a bit more money than you and can afford to pay people smugglers to take them into American
waters where, whacko, an American customs vessel will kindly transport them to mainland USA where they will housed comfortably while their bona fides are being checked.

This process takes up time that could have otherwise been spent on progressing your oh so painstakingly offered application to come to the USA through official channels.

But hey, who cares? You've stagnated in that camp for several years. What are a few more?

 

[trainspotter]

Typical Labor Party Suporter.

 

[noco]

What is your recommendation noco ?

Short of shooting them down in the boats it seems like a bad problem to me. I think, take them in, sort them out and send all the non-genuine ones back. Sorting them out on the mainland seems a good option as it employs our own people in the task and less double handling of the geniuine ones who are granted asylum.

Open up Nauru and Manus, keep them there for 2-3 years or longer. That was certainly a deterrent to the people smugglers before. Why not do it again? The Rudd/ Gillard policy has been an absolute failure jusr like evrything else they have been involved in and they were told nearly 3 years ago thier policy would fail.
In the meantime it costing the bloody tax payers $millions. WASTE, WASTE, WASTE, SHAME,SHAME,SHAME. Of course the Labor/Green coalition don't know anything different.

 

[sails]

Looks like the boat people are being sent to Liberal electorates. Labor would not want to upset anyone in their own seats - very cunning indeed if this is true...

 

[explod]

Have you given any consideration to the thousands of refugees who have actually made application via UNHCR to come to Australia legally?
Do you really think it's fair that those who have $10,000 or whatever to pay people smugglers should have first bite at being resident in Australia?

Just consider as an hypothesis: you decide you'd be better off living in the USA. (It's only an example: don't get hysterical at the notion.)
So you make long winded application for entry, have to provide endless reams of documentation before you will even be considered, and then you are told 'well, maybe', and sent to wait in a camp in an intermediate country.

You stay there for several years, hearing nothing about the progress of your application to actually get to the USA where you will be given medical and dental treatment immediately on arrival, if proven to be genuine, you will receive social security benefits and assistance to find a job.

But amongst these years of waiting, there is boatload after boatload of people who have not bothered to make formal application but who have had a bit more money than you and can afford to pay people smugglers to take them into American
waters where, whacko, an American customs vessel will kindly transport them to mainland USA where they will housed comfortably while their bona fides are being checked.

This process takes up time that could have otherwise been spent on progressing your oh so painstakingly offered application to come to the USA through official channels.

But hey, who cares? You've stagnated in that camp for several years. What are a few more?

I have considered all of those matters Julia and of course I care.

But what is to be done, that is the question ?

The sheer numbers on population growth alone will continue to climb so what is to be done ?

 

[explod]

Open up Nauru and Manus, keep them there for 2-3 years or longer. That was certainly a deterrent to the people smugglers before. Why not do it again? The Rudd/ Gillard policy has been an absolute failure jusr like evrything else they have been involved in and they were told nearly 3 years ago thier policy would fail.
In the meantime it costing the bloody tax payers $millions. WASTE, WASTE, WASTE, SHAME,SHAME,SHAME. Of course the Labor/Green coalition don't know anything different.

We are not going to be able to continue to dump our problem onto others and 3 years will not deter some of them from the horrifying conditions in which they have lived.

 

[noco]

We are not going to be able to continue to dump our problem onto others and 3 years will not deter some of them from the horrifying conditions in which they have lived.

explod, you hit the nail fair and square on the head. Yes, it is our problem created by the stupidity of Rudd LABOR Government's policy. Howard had it all under control in his latter years with I believe 3 boat arrivals in his last year in office. If you were detained on Nauru for three years or more would not the message get back to the people smugglers.
The current message from the smugglers to the boat people is go to Australia and the Labor Government will put you up in first class accomodation, hence the armada of boats we currently observe.
There is no logic in your argument what so ever.

 

[explod]

The current message from the smugglers to the boat people is go to Australia and the Labor Government will put you up in first class accomodation, hence the armada of boats we currently observe.
There is no logic in your argument what so ever.

How much longer can we continue to bludge off countries offshore and in the longer term it is only a band aid.

I dont care how tough you make it look, the situation with increasing populations, floods, poverty and drought are getting very much worse. We need to do bigger things than we are now.

Through the UN we need to be influencing zero population, better education and influencing less selfish government regimes. And I say influence, guns do not work they merely inflame and create more guns.

Unless the big issues are tackled then anything else is going to be a waste of time. Gillard in creating better liason with places like Indonesia, as she is doing is the only way. Improving relations and negotiation with follow up support the way forward.

Same with Afganistan, if the same amount of money and energy that has been wasted on that war effort, was spent on education and community support programs I would be sure we would not have a problem. Bring back the Columbo plan ideas.

Trying to stop the individual boats will be like trying to empty the Indian Ocean into the pacific with a tin can. Your arguments are worse than mine.

 

[Julia]

We are not going to be able to continue to dump our problem onto others and 3 years will not deter some of them from the horrifying conditions in which they have lived.

How much longer can we continue to bludge off countries offshore and in the longer term it is only a band aid.

You are misrepresenting, or perhaps misunderstanding, how Nauru, eg, regards having the detention centre. Nauru is broke. Running the detention centre boosts their economy, provides jobs for their people. Don't you remember how during the election campaign they were spruiking their desire to have the centre that has already been purpose built there put back into use?

No one is 'bludging' on these economically deprived countries. Australia, where they have commissioned such facilities, more than adequately rewards the country concerned.

Under the Howard government, the arrangement with Nauru worked well for both countries. It's purely political that Gillard et al are refusing to recommission the centre there.
They prefer to spend more gazillions of taxpayer funds in building new centres on mainland Australia, much to the dislike of many Australians in the proposed areas.

Same with Afganistan, if the same amount of money and energy that has been wasted on that war effort, was spent on education and community support programs I would be sure we would not have a problem.

Completely agree about money spent on the war, but I understand funds and energy are also being applied to community support over there. (For all the good it will do.)

Trying to stop the individual boats will be like trying to empty the Indian Ocean into the pacific with a tin can. Your arguments are worse than mine.

As Noco has already pointed out, the boat arrivals during the Howard era were minimal.

You haven't responded to my concern about all those refugees who have gone the appropriate, official route and applied to come here being displaced by those who have $10,000 or whatever to offer the people smugglers.

 

[explod]

You haven't responded to my concern about all those refugees who have gone the appropriate, official route and applied to come here being displaced by those who have $10,000 or whatever to offer the people smugglers

Was factored in my mind as the number of boat people is but a small percentage of refugees per se. Admit these are jumping the que.

Also agree on the off mainland holding centres. My point is down the track to when this problem becomes a flood, with the conditions araising, overpopulation et al., unless we have a whole new global approach they will be coming at us in the teaming millions. Remember my Father talking of such scenarios 50 years ago, particularly in relation to China. China is coming out in the world now and we are developing a good realtionship with them, they have also now a one child policy.

So these matters can be resolved on the scale required and we need to go that way too.

I like to think that the fresh young and new pollies flowering under Gillard and the Greens would have these things in mind.

Sure call me a dreamer if you will but for this world to survive we need big dreamers who start to do something to fix things at the seat of the problems and where they breed them. The problems that is.

 

[noco]

How much longer can we continue to bludge off countries offshore and in the longer term it is only a band aid.

I dont care how tough you make it look, the situation with increasing populations, floods, poverty and drought are getting very much worse. We need to do bigger things than we are now.

Through the UN we need to be influencing zero population, better education and influencing less selfish government regimes. And I say influence, guns do not work they merely inflame and create more guns.

Unless the big issues are tackled then anything else is going to be a waste of time. Gillard in creating better liason with places like Indonesia, as she is doing is the only way. Improving relations and negotiation with follow up support the way forward.

Same with Afganistan, if the same amount of money and energy that has been wasted on that war effort, was spent on education and community support programs I would be sure we would not have a problem. Bring back the Columbo plan ideas.

Trying to stop the individual boats will be like trying to empty the Indian Ocean into the pacific with a tin can. Your arguments are worse than mine.

Rudd and Gillard have been negotiating with Indonesia for over two years now or have you forgotten explod. They seem to be getting no where. The Indonesians are so corrupt, the prison officers are being paid to release them from the detention centres to the people smugglers and the Indonesian authorities are turning a blind eye to it all and why, because the authorities are pleased to get them off their hands.
And, explod, with the hundreds of Afghans arriving, mainly young men, why in the hell ain't they at home fighting for the freedom of their own people instead of 1580 of our Australians over there risking their lives for these idiots who want to live in Australia.

I say again, lock them up on Nauru and Manus for 2 or 3 years and they will think twice. The problem is, this stupid Gillard won't swallow her pride and do what the coalition has suggested.She would sooner waste the tax payers money on expanding detention centres on the mainland.

 

[explod]

And, explod, with the hundreds of Afghans arriving, mainly young men, why in the hell ain't they at home fighting for the freedom of their own people instead of 1580 of our Australians over there risking their lives for these idiots who want to live in Australia.

They ascaping from the firepower of our troops over there.

As it said, we need to fight in a new way. It may 10 or 20 years with Indonesia but in the end it will be either beatem or joinem. The numbers are growing so great I know which way we have to go but it needs to have some of our terms and we will not get that by aggression or a locked door.

 

[joea]

Hi
www.indo.ausaid.gov.au
Will give you an idea where millions of dollars go.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au/..nauruans, explains about, Where did $100m go.

Interesting read.

Australian taxpayers are great people.

Cheers