Defending Brett Kavanaugh

Grasshopper, you are relying on your feelings, I am relying on the standard of evidence.

If this was an actual Court she would have been ripped a new one on the stand.

... and deservedly so

wayneL said:

Grasshopper, you are relying on your feelings, I am relying on the standard of evidence.

If this was an actual Court she would have been ripped a new one on the stand.

... and deservedly so

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Standards of evidence ? A Courtroom?

This was not a trial ! Get it ? It was an open discussion/investigation of a credible accusation of sexual assault. It was also the third accusation of a similar nature and together they go to the heart of Judge Kavanaugh fitness to be a judge.

What also came out in the questions and answers was a judge who refused to co-operate and made claims about his behaviours as a student that just don't stack up with contempory accounts or the evidence of his year book.
At the very best he misrepresented himself. A stronger view would be that he lied to make himself look so good it would be impossible to see him as anything other than a choirboy.

Your response to all this is to claim that a University Psychology Professor decided to fabricate a sexual assault charge and destroy her life to stop this this nomination.
Versus the other option that she in fact had been assaulted and believed this informtion should be made known to the committee deciding on the fitness of the nominee for being a Supreme Court judge.

And just to finish Wayne. With regard to the "evidence" presented by Dr Ford and courts of law? There would be a thousand plus men lynched, executed or convicted on a testimony like Dr Fords. And Judge Kavanaughs refusal to answer would be seen in a completely different light.

Aiksas90 said:

Sorry, I did not read all 15 pages on this thread, but I just wanted to add my two cents.
Regardless of whether he did it or not, whether it can be justified to his youth or his state of inebriation, my main concern is his demeanour during the hearing. He was much too emotional angry and disrespectful to members on the council, his answers were emotional and incoherent at times. A Supreme Judge must be able to deal with difficult situations, remain their composure and treat everyone with respect. Based on the strange replies to simple questions, his ability to objectively hold such a position power is questionable. There are many more conservative judges that might be better suited for the position than Kavanaugh, and the undying support for this particular individual baffles me, especially in light of his recent behaviour. Not the allegations, his actual behaviour which can be seen during the hearing.

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Maybe he just got frustrated, by the trail by media circus, now the FBI have cleared him, it will be trail by those that wanted him found guilty.
The ones with the pitch forks and burning torches, like it.

The FBI did not take the statements of witnesses who had first hand knowledge of Brett Kavanaughs behaviour as a student.

The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh
By Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow

October 3, 2018


Several former classmates of Brett Kavanaugh, President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, tried to share their stories with the F.B.I. as it investigated sexual-assault allegations against him.

Photograph by Andrew Harrer / Bloomberg / Getty
Frustrated potential witnesses who have been unable to speak with the F.B.I agents conducting the investigation into sexual-assault allegations against Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, have been resorting to sending statements, unsolicited, to the Bureau and to senators, in hopes that they would be seen before the inquiry concluded. On Monday, President Trump said that the Bureau should be able to interview “anybody they want within reason,” but the extent of the constraints placed on the investigating agents by the White House remained unclear. Late Wednesday night, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that the F.B.I. probe was over and cleared the way for an important procedural vote on Kavanaugh’s nomination to take place on Friday. NBC News reported that dozens of people who said that they had information about Kavanaugh had contacted F.B.I. field offices, but agents had not been permitted to talk to many of them. Several people interested in speaking to the F.B.I. expressed exasperation in interviews with The New Yorker at what they perceived to be a lack of interest in their accounts.

Deborah Ramirez, one of two women who have accused Kavanaugh of sexual abuse, said in an interview that she had been hopeful that her story would be investigated when two agents drove from Denver to Boulder, Colorado, last weekend to interview her at her lawyer’s office. But Ramirez said that she was troubled by what she perceived as a lack of willingness on the part of the Bureau to take steps to substantiate her claims. “I am very alarmed, first, that I was denied an F.B.I. investigation for five days, and then, when one was granted, that it was given on a short timeline and that the people who were key to corroborating my story have not been contacted,” Ramirez said. “I feel like I’m being silenced.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...testimonies-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

basilio said:

Standards of evidence ? A Courtroom?

This was not a trial ? Get it ? It was an open discussion/investigation of a credible accusation of sexual assault. It was also the third accusation of a similar nature and together they go to the heart of Judge Kavanaugh fitness to be a judge.

What also came out in the questions and answers was a judge who refused to co-operate and made claims about his behaviours as a student that just don't stack up with contempory accounts or the evidence of his year book.
At the very best he misrepresented himself. A stronger view would be that he lied to make himself look so good it would be impossible to see him as anything other than a choirboy.

Your response to all this is to claim that a University Psychology Professor decided to fabricate a sexual assault charge and destroy her life to stop this this nomination.
Versus the other option that she in fact had been assaulted and believed this informtion should be made known to the committee deciding on the fitness of the nominee for being a Supreme Court judge.

And just to finish Wayne. With regard to the "evidence" presented by Dr Ford and courts of law? There would be a thousand plus men lynched, executed or convicted on a testimony like Dr Fords. And Judge Kavanaughs refusal to answer would be seen in a completly different light.

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Err, English comprehension bas.

I did say *if* it was a courtroom now didn't I.

Nevertheless, if leftists want to destroy a good man's life, based on whats amounts to (not even very good) heresay, on events that purportedly happened 35 years ago, when all were minors at f###ing high school, I would expect a standard of evidence...

....not a disgraceful witchhunt and *obvious fit up based in nothing more that a particularly purulent iteration of far left politics.

Your posts are sophistry at it absolute words and you and your "komrades" should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

He'll get through because it's the Repubs last chance to get a Conservative on the SC before the mid term election.

He sounds like an entitled pratt, but he's a buddy of Trump and that counts.

SirRumpole said:

He'll get through because it's the Repubs last chance to get a Conservative on the SC before the mid term election.

He sounds like an entitled pratt, but he's a buddy of Trump and that counts.

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I'm not really up on U.S politics or grid iron, but is what you are saying after the mid term elections, the Republicans can't put up another candidate?

Well it's great that the FBI sent in it's "report" early because all the information from the witnesses it studiously ignored can now be presented in a public forum.

basilio said:

Well it's great that the FBI sent in it's "report" early because all the information from the witnesses it studiously ignored can now be presented in a public forum.

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Maybe them handing in the report early is a good sign Kavo is cooked.

Given the public outrage, I'd imagine a politically motivated FBI would hang on to the report at the very last moment to appear like they were hard at work on it.

But then again it's American democracy.

sptrawler said:

I'm not really up on U.S politics or grid iron, but is what you are saying after the mid term elections, the Republicans can't put up another candidate?

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I think what Rumpole is saying is that if the Republicans wait untl after the mid term in November, they might not have the majority in the Senate to pass any hard right Republican through. Just a softy Republican judge only.

How many first hand accounts of Judge Kavanaughs pattern of behaviour at college will it take to challenge his choirboy presentation. ?

One, two, Five, Ten ?
All of Brett Kavanaugh’s Classmates Who Have Accused Him of Lying
By Amanda Arnold@aMandolinz


In the face of numerous allegations of sexual assault dating back to his high school and college years, all of which are said to have involved copious alcohol use, Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has tried to push back on reports that make it seem as though he and his friends were frequently drunk and belligerent, claiming he was a well-behaved boy who simply liked (and still likes!) beer — a characterization that a mounting number of his classmates are calling inaccurate.
https://www.thecut.com/2018/10/all-of-kavanaughs-classmates-who-have-called-him-a-liar.html

Jeez basilio, do you know him, you seem really passionate about it?

sptrawler said:

Jeez basilio, do you know him, you seem really passionate about it?

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Empathy, Homer. That and a strong sense of justice and fair play I reckon. Good on you Baz.

Not all of us have the time or interest to look into these "political" issues, but when you take a closer look, or spend a few hours hearing the actual testimony and other witnesses accounts. On top of the bs game these "people's servants" are pulling... If you're not outraged then something is wrong with you.

luutzu said:

Empathy, Homer. That and a strong sense of justice and fair play I reckon. Good on you Baz.

Not all of us have the time or interest to look into these "political" issues, but when you take a closer look, or spend a few hours hearing the actual testimony and other witnesses accounts. On top of the bs game these "people's servants" are pulling... If you're not outraged then something is wrong with you.

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My appologies, a few hours looking into U.S political issues, I haven't spent a minute looking into it. lol
I was just admiring the passion some have for the it, I guess I'm too apathetic, but I have become more aggressive I'm voting for silly billy. Let's get some real action happening. lol

sptrawler said:

My appologies, a few hours looking into U.S political issues, I haven't spent a minute looking into it. lol
I was just admiring the passion some have for the it, I guess I'm too apathetic, but I have become more aggressive I'm voting for silly billy. Let's get some real action happening. lol

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Voting Labor will only get you Liberal-Lite. Want something real, go for the Green or any independents. They got nothing to lose... because they got nothing but bright ideas and not much money, if any, chasing them.

I guess I'm also apathetic, that's a word right? Maybe somewhat cynical as I don't trust any news outlet - too many freaking opinions, not much facts nowadays.

Then just saw a lecture by Ralph Nader and man, the dude made me feel bad about mistaking wisdom for cynicism; about knowing things and not putting it into activism to save the republic.

Damn it Ralph, couldn't a guy just put his other knowledge towards trying to set up a business to maybe feed and shelter his family first?

luutzu said:

Voting Labor will only get you Liberal-Lite. Want something real, go for the Green or any independents.

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Voting Labor will get some real serious resets happening IMO.
80% of negative geared properties are owned by those earning less than $140k, add to that 40% of housing stock is Sydney and Melbourne, W.A has already had a reset no down side for me. lol

Vote Green, you must be joking, IMO they couldn't run a backyard BBQ let alone the Country.
Just my opinion, but I really haven't seen anyone, that Leigh Sales wouldn't tear strips off.
There is one thing running a nice paid for speal, it is another game running an economy and having to moderate your stance .
Especially when it is so far out of step with reality.

luutzu said:

Graham was just applying for Attorney General.

If he truly believe that Ford is lying and her allegations do not hold up, why have sympathies for her? I'd be pretty pissed off at people who knowingly lie to accuse a good, god fearing, beer-drunk virgin who love coaching football (and the law).

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People these days have to be careful not to get into a situation where the media and others cry "Prejudice". So that makes a person either keep quiet as to what they think or basically pretend a person is credible. I find myself having to rearrange my words to keep on the safe side. The times we are going through are right on the one hand, a catchup basis, but quite wrong in that what is said is far from entirely truthful.

So predictable :- the FBI is asked (as the beacon of truth and the american way) to investigate the veracity of innuendo and rumour, finds buggerall basis to endorse innuendo and rumour, not even a smoking gun, but the narks are still unsatisfied.

US Senate votes 51-49 to confirm Kavanaugh.

But its not over yet.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-...loser-to-lifetime-supreme-court-post/10345232