Corruption in Australia

[Bloveld]

The only answer your idiocy deserves is this (in Greek) : Ante kai pidixou. Paliomalakismeno.
I am sure there are a "few"Greek speaking people in here who will gladly oblige.....That is, if your paranoia does not also "listen" to Greek the words: Paranoika ilithios malakas eisai, Vlima!

Old Australian Saying
No prize for seconds mate.

 

[Out Too Soon]

How many Muslims have you known Epsilon?
I lived in a muslim fishing village for 2 years & THE PEOPLE WERE LOVELY they mixed in together with the buddhists, Chinese & us misc foreigners & I NEVER felt threatened. It is very sad to see that world politics has done to sth Thailand but blame the politicians not the people. really!

PS: 2020, I absolutely love your poems, esp the peace ones on the first page, where did they come from?

 

[wayneL]

How many Muslims have you known Epsilon?
I lived in a muslim fishing village for 2 years & THE PEOPLE WERE LOVELY they mixed in together with the buddhists, Chinese & us misc foreigners & I NEVER felt threatened. It is very sad to see that world politics has done to sth Thailand but blame the politicians not the people. really!

PS: 2020, I absolutely love your poems, esp the peace ones on the first page, where did they come from?

Yup

20/20 summed ot up nicely

1. Well Epsilon - no surprises for me, except that Im now more convinced than ever that there are moderate moslems out there with fine ethical values - just fine (whatever their past). Helping other fine moslems to lock up the extremists who are obvious nutcases. (concluding remarks as I recall something about "maybe the west could learn something") ?

But, we should also be pro-active in defending our own culture from extremists... of any bent

 

[2020hindsight]

2020, ..poem... where did they come from?

Lol - thanks OTS - The one about "If I were God" is only an extract - The main theme is about the way the world is trending "healthwise" - and the fact that I wish people would spend more time thinking about the world they'll leave to the next generation than about whether they'll go to Heaven or not . I have posted it before, but I'll push my luck and stick it on the ASF Poetry thread - at the risk of being accused of verbal pollution
I use small print because I dont want to be seen to be grandstanding and filling up the memory bank here. - which I dont - at least I dont think I do (?) well all I know is that I feel strongly about a few things lol.

 

[2020hindsight]

But, we should also be pro-active in defending our own culture from extremists... of any bent

I agree Wayne - all extremists should be SHOT! (sorry another oldie lol - sorry if this is the 300th time you've heard it)

 

[GoldenYears]

B). Islam by nature is a religion which justifies in raison détre in being anti-West, anti-Jewish, anti-Christian, anti-infidel. They (muslims) only live to enhance islam's influence throughout the Planet. In other words, instead of spreading , values much desired by the nature of most humans (freedom, good life style, good future for children-next generation, progress, democracy, etc), they want to spread their cruel, barbaric religious system\life style, which goes against the nature of mankind. Against the nature of humans. Against you and me (well, definitely against my values and nature...)....
Can you see the difference?
I can.......Hence my anti-Islamo-fascistic stance. In fact a very strong, but peacefully democratic one.....

Cheers)

I totally disagree if you are implying that 100% of muslims have the attitude you describe above.

I don't know many muslims but I do know a couple of devout "true" muslims and they have and practice much higher morals and values than the "average westerner" so I think you are making a grossly incorrect generalization.

Obviously there is a small minority of bitter twisted people (who call themelves muslims) who use an extemely warped interpretation of Islam to try to further their own personal ideologies and agendas by inflicting extreme pain, suffering and fear.

How you stop them I do not know and at the very least it will take generations and not just years to remove the "built in" hatred and it's very obvious to me that the way the west is going about it at the moment is not even close to working.

I don't for a second think that the world now is safer and less vulnerable to terrorism than it was in March 2003.

My

 

[2020hindsight]

Maybe I should come clean ...
I was lucky enough (I've had a fortunate life - accumulation of little things , fortunate to be where I was when I was etc ) to stay at International House for a time during my university years. Every evening meal we would stand , Africans (incl many Muslems), Asians (ditto) , Australians, Americans, Canadians, Kiwis, Europeans, ....and toast "THAT BROTHERHOOD MAY PREVAIL!" To give you an idea when that was, I recall the Liberal Minster Don Chipp being a guest speaker at one of our dinners - and he was TOTALLY against marijuana lol. We laughed at him (after his talk and therefore behind his back).

Speaking of marijuana - since those stupid days in the 60's, Ive met and studied with Afghans (muslems) - where the stuff has been smoked for centuries - who confirm that it is well known that people who smoke marijuana consistently lose (at least some of) their mental skills by middle age. Also a friend of one of my sons was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia triggered by marijuana (sad? nonsense! bludy tragic) - all my arguments with "fuddy duddy oldies" in those days defending it were also nonsense. Weed is not recommended! Sorry If you're a hash smoker Joe - but thats one of the lessons life has taught me at least .

As for corruption in Australia lol - well drugs are probably involved with at least 74.76% of it ( and 47.67% of all statistics are made up on the spot lol). Apologies, I have trouble keeing to the topic, Ill try to improve

 

[StockyBailx]

To Much of it! and never enough 'should be band'

 

[2020hindsight]

2. I'll tell you if I hear about Maj Mori's interview being repeated
3. Is Australia corrupt in its relationship with USA? Hard to tell really! Difficult to be corrupt when all you can say is "yes sir" "no sir" "three bags full sir"

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1709428.htm

ABC has the interview with Maj Mori if anyone is interested. - I like the man - especially as he is putting his career on the line over this moral stance he is taking. Which compares with no stance at all from Aus Govt moral or otherwise - just the "sounds of silence" from them - while Hicks gets the "hello darkness my old friend" treatment. rgds , 2020.

 

[Out Too Soon]

Corruption in Australia nooo not here!
Where could someone get away with sadistically beating a man to death with witness's. HERE in Nth QLD of cause, Senior SGT Hurley has finally been stood down (on full pay ) but the sickening thing was the reaction of the politicians & the media up here, even Peter Beattie tried to gloss it over.

 

[2020hindsight]

Corruption in Australia nooo not here!
Where could someone get away with sadistically beating a man to death with witness's. HERE in Nth QLD of cause, Senior SGT Hurley has finally been stood down (on full pay ) but the sickening thing was the reaction of the politicians & the media up here, even Peter Beattie tried to gloss it over.

Lol OTS - imho, 25% at best of what police put up to court is true - believe me, I've seen it first hand - they are masters of twisting the truth - BLATANT lies - Beattie backing them ? - what a fool !! Clockwork Orange has nothing on Aussie cops !!

PS I like the show "Forensic Investigators" - currently on btw lol - and about a Qld crime - "so Horatio, you seem to have this little inconsistency in your philosophy" lol

PS What do you think of the resignation of the attorney gen over the Bundaberg medical fiasco? sheesh potentially BLATANT?? or what !!

PS Melbourne Sen Sgt found guilty - drugs related (of cors) and incidentally after my post below that suggested that drugs were the "root of all weevils" - ahh as if its an original hypothesis!! sheesh

PS the Diggers would have been ashamed of the corruption in the various police forces - imho of cors as if they gave their live for parasites like that to twist the truth ... "If you can bear to see the truth you've spoken, twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, or watch the things you gave your life to broken , and stoop to build 'em up with worn out tools" - Kipligs IF

 

[Out Too Soon]

Not all cops r crooked, vindictive &/or twisted, I knew the Sen Sgt of Palm Isl before Hurley & he was a good bloke that everyone respected inc the locals. The history of probs at Palm have been caused by poor political decisions of the past, a long story, DYOR.
When I blamed politicians for terrorism & the worlds woes earlier on this thread I thought after I should point out Osama Bin Laden is a politician, he doesn't even know how to shoot a gun properly.
How many wars would there be if the politicians that caused them had to be on the front line?

 

[2020hindsight]

ANDREW DENTON: That is true. What lies ahead for David?

MAJOR MICHAEL MORI: I think what lies ahead, he's going to remain at Guantanamo Bay until there is a change, until his situation is re-evaluated. There is no hope that he's going to get a fair trial next week, next month. If the administration gets through the Bill they want dealing with Commissions, it will not provide him the basic protections that he deserves and that you would get at a court martial. It's funny, because the Status of Forces Agreement between Australia and the US, for US soldiers who commit crimes in Australia, one of the rights is that they must confront the witnesses against them. They don't want to give that to David.

back to Mori - It's pretty easy yes? I mean, we are pathetic.
OTS, Palm Island - I accept that some police are ok (why not all?)
Politicians in the front line - well exclusing Winston Churchill lol - (who would have loved to be there) very few. He of course was one of the few to be able to claim "a legitimate call to arms". But I agree entirely OTS.

PS Winston C , 1939:- "What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."
- this speech given after Dunkirk, when Britain was almost on its knees - sheesh, the greatest orator and motivator of the 20C.

 

[Smurf1976]

Good to see John White (ex Labor politician and wannabe ruler of the world) finally in trouble down here in Tassie. Seems to be in lots of trouble along with at least one of his associates (who just happened to be deputy premier until very recently...).

Perhaps he'll go the same way as builders struggling with his monopoly corporation's ridiculous licensing fees and all those who have struck trouble at the hands of the Battery Point residents association of which he is undemocratically elected as "the man". Christmas carols relocated, public space fenced in and Council proposals scrapped, the biggest nightclub in Hobart closed amidst a blaze of public outcry, even a coffee roasting business couldn't stand the heat from this mob.

Justice at last.

 

[Out Too Soon]

Corruption in Australia nooo not here!
Where could someone get away with sadistically beating a man to death with witness's. HERE in Nth QLD of cause, Senior SGT Hurley has finally been stood down (on full pay ) but the sickening thing was the reaction of the politicians & the media up here, even Peter Beattie tried to gloss it over.

And finally it's happened, just before christmas when everybody is well & truly pre-occupied, out comes the sneaky Dept of Public PRosecutions verdict. Sgt Chris Hurley gets away with murder because they aren't going to even charge him. No surprise really, they couldn't possibly put the evidence before a jury without a very big embarrassing cover-up being blown sky high. If we cant get justice for Indigenous ppl while a moderate labour party is in power in QLD how can we hope to ever get real justice in QLD?

 

[Out Too Soon]

And finally it's happened, just before christmas when everybody is well & truly pre-occupied, out comes the sneaky Dept of Public PRosecutions verdict. Sgt Chris Hurley gets away with murder because they aren't going to even charge him. No surprise really, they couldn't possibly put the evidence before a jury without a very big embarrassing cover-up being blown sky high. If we cant get justice for Indigenous ppl while a moderate labour party is in power in QLD how can we hope to ever get real justice in QLD?

And just too add to the feeling of injustice & hopelessness in QLD Peter Beattie appears on the news telling everyone we have to accept the umpires decision.
The DPP totally contradicted the 2nd coroners findings, clearly there is no justice in QLD especially if you're black.

Clearly Australias hypocritical much bandied about idea of a "Fair Go", doesn't extend to black fellas, even in 2006.

 

[2020hindsight]

And finally it's happened, just before christmas when everybody is well & truly pre-occupied, out comes the sneaky Dept of Public PRosecutions verdict. Sgt Chris Hurley gets away with murder because they aren't going to even charge him. No surprise really, they couldn't possibly put the evidence before a jury without a very big embarrassing cover-up being blown sky high. If we cant get justice for Indigenous ppl while a moderate labour party is in power in QLD how can we hope to ever get real justice in QLD?

Lol , m8 , as soon as heard that on tonights news, I though of your post.
sheesh. Now I wonder what we could charge him with ??? mmm. body over there, mmm in police station mmm .
no probs lets get back to that bastard David Hicks lol.

 

[Out Too Soon]

It makes me sick, really sick to the stomach, the only politicians to stick there neck out & make an honest comment have been The Greens & labour man Mike Reynolds. I guess MIke might be losing his preselection next time round. Whatever, he'll probably get in as an independant.
If that baby-faced sadist Hurley pulls you up for a traffic infringement on the Gold Coast, make a citizens arrest.

 

[2020hindsight]

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2006/s1821892.htm Sir Laurence Street speaking to Conor Duffy.

Aboriginal leaders have welcomed the appointment former New South Wales chief justice Sir Laurence Street to lead a review into the decision not to charge a policeman over a death in custody on Palm Island.

The death of the man known as Mulrunji led to riots in November 2004, and a Coroner's inquiry that found the officer responsible for the death.

But there was widespread outrage when Queensland's Director of Public Prosecutions announced that no charges would be laid.

Sir Laurence Street, who starts work today, spoke to Conor Duffy about his new job.

CONOR DUFFY: Sir Laurence Street, there's been a lot of controversy surrounding this case. Your predecessor was forced to stand down after it was revealed he'd been on a committee that selected Leanne Clare. Do you have any concerns about the controversy surrounding this case?

LAURENCE STREET: No, no concerns at all. It's an important matter in the public arena, but I have no personal embarrassments or baggage, if you like, from the past. It's a professional engagement, and I don't anticipate any difficulty in discharging it. I don't minimise the sensitivity and importance, it's got to be done properly and carefully and thoroughly and correctly. So I'm … there it is.

CONOR DUFFY: And have you been following the developments on Palm Island for the last two years?

LAURENCE STREET: No. No, I haven't. All I know is the occasional times I've read it in the print media, or heard it on the radio, or seen it on television, but I most certainly haven't tried to follow it. I'm aware of it as a contemporary issue.

CONOR DUFFY: And how long will it take you to review this evidence, and when do you start?

LAURENCE STREET: Um, I'm expecting to get the documents in my office tomorrow, in Sydney, or, if not tomorrow, on Monday. I'll start to look at them. It's a matter of weeks, not months. But it depends how much, I don't know how much material there is, but it's not a long, drawn-out … it's not an AWB, if you like. I'd expect that we'll have it finished, the three of us, within a matter of a few weeks. etc ...

 

[SirRumpole]

Funny how it usually takes a media expose to shine a light on corruption in political parties.

Why didn't the ALP pick up on the activities of Eddie Obeid and Adem Someyurek ?

Because a lot of people were in their jobs because of these people.

Even though these were State matters its pretty sure that such things are going on at a Federal level in all parties.

Bring on a Federal ICAC. Will that actually happen ? Probably not because both the major parties know that they have secrets they want to keep hidden.