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Contemporary China - culture, politics & business

Whiskers

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Since China is becoming such an important trading partner, I am interested in learning more about the good, bad and ugly of dealing with China.

I have even warmed lately to the idea of holidaying in China.

I am particularly interested in first hand experiences of people living there, with business dealings there, holidaying there and particularly if anything is tabo.
 

I've been here now for over 2 years Whiskers. Going on holidays to the Sheraton in Jiuzhaigou, a mountain resort in a world hertitage area. Will send photos!

http://www.starwoodhotels.com/shera...GoogleInternational_sheraton_Jiuzhaigou_72106

Ask me anything you like.

Cheers,
 
be careful with the date. Never during 1st of May. 1st of Oct. and the Spring Festival. Otherwise you cannot do nothing, just think how to fight out a way in a crazy crowd
 
I had my honeymoon in beijing. highly recommend travel to China. Felt very safe there, very friendly people. Great shopping, but it pays to haggle and be prepared to walk away to get best deals, chinese businesses run by very very sharp operators. Every one drinks bottled water. Many restaurants have some very strange items on their menus, best to look at their menu before sitting down.
 
Thanks guys/gals

That Sheraton in Jiuzhaigou looks great, CanOz.

Looks to have even more character about it than the Sheraton Nooa when I stayed there some years ago. I have heard that many places used to be off limits to tourists. How is the freedom of travel within the country now?

Hi alanding

What happens during 1st of May. 1st of Oct? It might be fun.

Thanks kyme. I kave heard about haggling over price. Been getting a bit of practice in here , but some Aussie business people don't appreciate it.

Many restaurants have some very strange items on their menus, best to look at their menu before sitting down.

Yes, I've heard about cats and dogs on the menu, yuk. Any strange ones you would reccomend trying?
 
This one on the negative side ..
But there are some horrific youtubes out there with pollution in China absolutely out of control!!

Here are some I posted elsewhere:-

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=212063&highlight=pollution#post212063

So much so that some visitors return from China saying it will be pollution that finally caps China's development, and possibly forces political change etc.

I mean there has to be a limit - you can't ignore pollution the way they are doing. ("unsustainable" is a massive understatement)
 
Yeah agree totally, 2020. That is really bad. But I wonder how wide spread the pollution problem is... or are there places where they put industry and don't care what happens.

I thought the traditional chinese were amongst the most environmental conscious people in the world. I wonder if the Government doesn't care too much about pollution and just pays lip service to it. For example, I have heard reports that they are considering shutting industry for a period before and over the olympics to clean up the air a bit.

On a different note, I recently saw a documentary about Nokia inspecting chinese factories they were using or considering using for their manufactoring. It seemed to me that Nokia was interested in the public perception that people had about it's products including the treatment of chinese employees in the manufacturing plants. It seemed that international businesses engaging chinese factory owners had more influence over the working conditions of employees than the Government.

In this case Nokia was requiring employees to at least be paid the minimium by chinese law, which many seemed not to be, and preferably closer to european working conditions in terms of a standard 8 hour day instead of 10 to 12. If I understood the film correctly, Nokia didn't wan't its name associated with sweat shops, so they did some cost analysis sums to suggest that factory bosses were fudging the figures represented to Nokia and employees were often payed less and more going into factory owners profits.
 


I visited 5 cities in China last January on holidays for 3 weeks.

The 2 northern cities of Beijing and X'ian had incredibly horrible air pollution, the 3 more southern cities Hangzhou, Suzhou and Shanghai were a lot cleaner.

The problem in Beijing in particular seems to be that there is no apparent separation of industrial and residential areas. Densely populated areas of the city are dotted with chimneys belching thick smoke over surrounding blocks of flats. This may have been someone's bright idea of minimising the transport problems of getting workers to and from their jobs, but it's had a massive environmental downside.
 

The travel freedom is very good now. May, October and Spring Festival are very hectic times to travel as the whole country takes the days off together. Planes, Trains and buses are very difficult to book, and hotels are hard to get too.

Cheers,
 
Whiskers & Yelnats,
spot on - Beijing is trying to get the pollution down to acceptable limits for the Olympics - then it will be back to "normal" - full speed ahead - you'd think
plus leaning on the World Bank to "soften their reports" etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/03/1968915.htm


plenty more here :-
http://search.abc.net.au/search/sea...=20&collection=abcall&query=beijing+pollution
 

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The city i live in is adding 5000 cars per month. You can see it in the traffic too, every day worse than the next.

Cheers,
 
The city i live in is adding 5000 cars per month. You can see it in the traffic too, every day worse than the next.

canaus - would it be fair to say that there aren't enough good mechanics to go round?

and hence the exhausts belch out heaps of smoke?

I lived in HK for 5 years - mechanics were few on the ground - a mate bought a 3 year old Mercedes for about AUD $3K - but then again that was all it was worth.
 

So true, but more like maintenance is non existent, nor desired. Run it into the ground, over work it, over weight it, it doesn't matter.

Its just plain laziness.

Cheers,
 

Aren't their taxis mercs over there? They're a lot cheaper than they are here.
 
Aren't their taxis mercs over there? They're a lot cheaper than they are here.

Volkswagon jetta's, Cheri's, and Hyundai's....Merc's and Bimmers attract luxury tax, although if your friends are in the tax bureau they'll cut you some slack!

Cheers,
 
Aren't their taxis mercs over there? They're a lot cheaper than they are here.
Shinobi - there were heaps of Mercs in HK in those days - you're right lol - diesels and all

Fairly long story, this one, but true

I had an old Vauxhall Viscount up there - beautiful car - walnut dash, big reclining leather seats etc (paid $300 for it) until …. doh ….. I put it in for a oil change and rotate the tyres lol

I picked it up on a Friday afternoon - they said they'd changed the brake master cylinder (??) I asked why ? - the old one they claimed was "lupsup" = "rubbish".

So I went along with it (a bit suspicious) - until I came to the first corner, , where my suspicions were confirmed - and the entire car was braking on one wheel (front left hand). They’d taken my good one and given me a complete dud.

I planned to take the car back to them on the Monday - but that weekend (way out in New Territories) the front left wheel fell off lol. Fortunately going slowly – and the car just rolled onto the wheel. I was in a carpark (at some outpost of the Uni as I recall).

Anyway after a couple of weeks the car had been broken into, the reclining leather seats had been used for all sorts of amorous activity, presumably by students, finally all the windows had all been smashed etc etc. Anyway I took a couple of months to do anything about picking it up (I had another car as well - a $1000 Saab lol).

Flipside of the story - Police rang me after about 3 months - was I Joe Bloggs - I said sure - did I own car AXY 123? - o shinbone I'm thinking, here’s trouble (mild sweat).

We found someone stealing the brake master cylinder off it , and we've taken him to court - charged them - Can we return it to you please . I said ( errr - sure ). - and they did lol.

All I can say is that brake master cylinders were in big demand lol.
 
Volkswagon jetta's, Cheri's, and Hyundai's....Merc's and Bimmers attract luxury tax, although if your friends are in the tax bureau they'll cut you some slack!

Cheers,

This is the impression I have... dare I call it corruption. From reports I have seen and read over the years, at least it used to be common practice for businesses to have to 'patronise' officals somehow to get things going.

But on the other hand an offical was executed recently over, I think bribery and some food safety controvosy. Given the enormous pollution issues, it all becomes a bit difficult to reconcile 'protocol' the law and justice system.
 
Well, it looks like it is not only the Chinese economy in fast gear, but Chinese attitudes are changing pretty fast too.

It looks like more tough times for US companies trying to rebrand their products to sell to the chinese.

 
what about humanitarian abuses in China? how are the police there are they dodgy or only friendly toward westerners and persucute the locals?

Reason i ask is because falung gung has a huge amount of protesting and information handouts in Sydney regarding organ harvesting from its members and human rights abuses?
 
A bit of an insight into the Chinese stock market.

"...their market value isn't entirely comparable to those of global peers."

So are they overvalued or not?

 
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