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Buckeroo said:
Good call Trainspotter - I'd say your a dab hand at picking stocks as well?:)

Cheers
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LOLOL .... ummmmm that would be a big NEGATIVE on this matter. I have no rationale or strategy, let alone a system. !! LMAO (sold the lot on Thursday 13th August) Where is the market heading now? LOLOLOL
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
An article relevant to the debate. Source:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25942956-7583,00.html
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The quality of thinking is woeful. Does Rupert search for these guys?

For instance:

"Remember, it was not so long ago that we were confronted with the unnerving prospect of being fried like eggs on a hotplate as a result of a widening hole in the ozone layer of the atmosphere.

The hole is apparently still there, although it has stopped expanding and has, in fact, started shrinking. Coincidentally, it is now playing second fiddle to global warming in the climate change debate.

But just as we were told to disregard any suggestion that a hole in the ozone layer could be, in large part anyway, caused by Earth's natural evolution, so we must accept that global warming cannot be attributed to any natural changes in the planet's climactic cycle. No. It is all our fault. "

It was caused by CFCs, scientifically proven. The world stopped using CFCs in propellants and fridges. Production was frozen in 1986 and halved in 1999 and is almost not being made today. CFCs levels are dropping in the upper atmosphere and the hole has started to shrink! Fancy that! Science got it right. I can't see how anyone can use it as their argument unless they are unbelievably ignorant.
 
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Combet makes the extraordinary statement that the government will give no credibility to any challenge to its policy on global warming unless it is done through major peer-reviewed scientific journals.

How terrible! We shouldn't be listening to those awful scientists with their work being checked. We should be listening to Garpal Gumnet and how it rained yesterday?.:eek:

Honestly, if this is the level of discourse that Rupert Murdoch is reduced to publishing the global warming deniers should give up.

The skeptics, the true skeptics question things like whether the causes are as clear cut and whether the CO2 effect is waning etc. I don't mind them as at least they are using that funny organ between the ears.
 
Knobby22 said:
The quality of thinking is woeful. Does Rupert search for these guys?

For instance:

"Remember, it was not so long ago that we were confronted with the unnerving prospect of being fried like eggs on a hotplate as a result of a widening hole in the ozone layer of the atmosphere.

The hole is apparently still there, although it has stopped expanding and has, in fact, started shrinking. Coincidentally, it is now playing second fiddle to global warming in the climate change debate.

But just as we were told to disregard any suggestion that a hole in the ozone layer could be, in large part anyway, caused by Earth's natural evolution, so we must accept that global warming cannot be attributed to any natural changes in the planet's climactic cycle. No. It is all our fault. "

It was caused by CFCs, scientifically proven. The world stopped using CFCs in propellants and fridges. Production was frozen in 1986 and halved in 1999 and is almost not being made today. CFCs levels are dropping in the upper atmosphere and the hole has started to shrink! Fancy that! Science got it right. I can't see how anyone can use it as their argument unless they are unbelievably ignorant.
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Keep coming back to the argument, you should never believe everything you see in the media. There will be arguments both ways and skeptics like me search the net looking for negative comments & believers like your self, try to dispel the skeptics views - it the natural way of things.

One thing I can say, it seems to me the skeptics are increasing in number. Finally there is more scientific evidence that all this may be a normal occurrence - and it must be difficult for the believers that the world is currently getting colder?

Cheers
 
Buckeroo said:
Finally there is more scientific evidence that all this may be a normal occurrence - and it must be difficult for the believers that the world is currently getting colder?

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Sorry Buckeroo to select only part of your text, yet it’s the most relevant part.

I am not even sure that those so called alarmists doubt that this is a "normal occurrence". The one thing I have taken away from the whole Climate debate over the years is that it is not the fact that this does happen naturally, it’s that we have accelerated a process by 10's, of not 100's of thousands of years.

So, if we are indeed accelerating this process of global warming then we are doing it at our peril, and not in a natural and timely manner. So, in effect we are hammering the nail in our own coffin as we are not giving ourselves time to react or prepare.
 
stocksontheblock said:
Sorry Buckeroo to select only part of your text, yet it’s the most relevant part.

I am not even sure that those so called alarmists doubt that this is a "normal occurrence". The one thing I have taken away from the whole Climate debate over the years is that it is not the fact that this does happen naturally, it’s that we have accelerated a process by 10's, of not 100's of thousands of years.

So, if we are indeed accelerating this process of global warming then we are doing it at our peril, and not in a natural and timely manner. So, in effect we are hammering the nail in our own coffin as we are not giving ourselves time to react or prepare.
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Really? Care to substantiate that comment?
 
Knobby22 said:
The skeptics, the true skeptics question things like whether the causes are as clear cut and whether the CO2 effect is waning etc. I don't mind them as at least they are using that funny organ between the ears.
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They will be gratified to learn that they have the blessing of someone called Knobby22, providing they follow his advice.
 
wayneL said:
Really? Care to substantiate that comment?
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Sorry, shouldnt try and cook dinner and write on ASF at the same time.

If the part in bold is what you are referring to: it should have said ... it’s that we have accelerated the process by 10's, if not by 100's of thousands of years.

You may still think this needs more, yet incase the meaning was lost.

Thanks,
 
Calliope said:
When you are asked back up a stupid statement your pretence at being clever evaporates.
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My god, I think I have a stalker now!

MMM ... should I go and try and find your stupid posts and little rants and show how "stupid" you are?

MMM ... what was it you said the other day ... rude etc?

MMM ... you might just end up being a lot of fun! Unless I find something better to do, like wash my hair.
 
stocksontheblock said:
Sorry, shouldnt try and cook dinner and write on ASF at the same time.

If the part in bold is what you are referring to: it should have said ... it’s that we have accelerated the process by 10's, if not by 100's of thousands of years.

You may still think this needs more, yet incase the meaning was lost.

Thanks,
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I wasn't picking the grammar, I was wondering if you could substantiate the claim.
 
stocksontheblock said:
My god, I think I have a stalker now!

MMM ... should I go and try and find your stupid posts and little rants and show how "stupid" you are?

MMM ... what was it you said the other day ... rude etc?

MMM ... you might just end up being a lot of fun! Unless I find something better to do, like wash my hair.
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Put up or shut up!
 
Ummm ... without raiding my book collection and searching the net for things I have read, I can 'refer' to a couple of books that come to mind:

1. The Chaos Point, The World at the Crossroads. Ervin Laszlo. (Good read by the way, not just climate, yet on all aspects of how we should think of creating a better place to live - that’s if you think we need it).

2. The Weather Makers. Tim Flannnery - A VERY BIG alarmist.

3. Hot, Flat, and Crowded. Thomas L. Friedman. (Great book).

Without having to read them again to find the page and exact quote, there are references to the 'effect' of global warming as being something that has occurred in the past - many times, and that it will happen as a natural consequence of how 'things work'. Earths rotation, environmental factors, etc.

However, if I recall, this is a natural process which occurs over time, and that it is gradual.

From their, and others I have read, their point is that we are polluting so much that we are speeding up this natural process, and while it cant be stopped when it occurs naturally, it could be planned for. So, given we are speeding this process up by many 10's of thousands of yrs we are bringing something forward that is more rapid and possibly doesn’t give us time - if we ignore it, to make plans, try and effect the outcome, or effect the consequences.

Let’s just say the polar caps do melt. If we had time, recognised it, and prepared for it we could better understand who (places by the water) would be effected, and thus make plans for those who would be displaced to be relocated.

My point is not to either agree or disagree, yet I think there is a reasonable amount of 'evidence' to suggest we as a people are doing a pretty crap job for the environment on the whole, so we should, where possible make changes to either stop, or slow down - even halt (if we could somehow), what is apparently inevitable in nature.
 
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