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You can't make a consistent argument more like it .
You can't make a consistent argument more like it .I beg your pardon? You can't read.
US is the only rouge industrialized nation holding out after Australia ratified the agreement.
I wonder.....
The role of scientists has been to work out by how much and what the effect might be. And along the way scientists have come to learn about the many other effects on the earths climate and teased out their impact. In the end their understanding is that the biggest cause of the current global warming is excess manmade production of CO2. And if it continues at the current projection... well we are cooked
2020 and others. I'm going to work out a proper example here on how a community (eg an Australian state or territory) would actually cut CO2 by x% by a given date. I think the results will be interesting to say the least. I'll focus on energy-related emissions only to keep it simple. Does anyone have a % cut and a date in mind for this exercise?
...and in one sentence you expose the whole hypocrisy of the AGW religion.
Example - Al Bore:
Still lives with an enormous carbon footprint and has admitted that he is raking it in off the back of the CC scare.
There is an easy way to lessen the impact on the planet in whatever form is actually factual (i.e. NOT co2 induced GW)
DO LESS!
Travel less
Eat less
Own less
Package less
Breed less
Build smaller houses
Walk instead of drive
I don't see the GW scammers doing that.
I do them doing MORE of the above. Last time I was lectured on GW was as Sainsbury's by a woman who had driven to the Supermarket in her BMW X5, from her rather large centrally heated and energy hungry house, from behind her trolly full of te most elaborately packaged items she could buy.
Pullleeeeze, such obnoxious and poisonous duplicity from you people is truly sickening. Come back when you can walk the talk; until then, frac off and let the truly environmentally conscious do the real work.
Clearly, we have a need for a legislative and pricing framework on climate change, and the sooner the better.
No point in martyrdom not having kids ourselves ... since Bob Geldof's first LIVE AID Concert 24 years ago, Ethiopia's population has doubledThe only real way to solve this problem is less people.
ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: A quarter of a century ago Ethiopia became a byword for famine.
(Bob Geldof song plays)
Images of children dying of starvation prompted Bob Geldof to launch Live Aid. Since then Ethiopia's population has doubled and now world food prices are soaring. Opposition politician Gebru Asrat says Ethiopia has failed to learn from the past.
GEBRU ASRAT: To see another famine in this country after 24 years is a sad thing where millions are starving.
VALERIE BROWNING: Most families are down to two meals a day. Some are down to one.
You're right gg,What amuses me is how the Elites blame hardworking law abiding western folk for their scientific concept of an unproven future weather armageddon.
They then move on predictably to over population. Then some elitist git like Bob Geldof of all people gets dragged into the argument to prove a point.
The same folk who brought us the falsifiable global warmening also brought us western guilt for the famines of the third world.
The final arseabout argument they then give is that blame rests with us for war and famine anywhere on this earth.
Wake up and get a life.
gg
What amuses me is how the Elites blame hardworking law abiding western folk for their scientific concept of an unproven future weather armageddon.
They then move on predictably to over population. Then some elitist git like Bob Geldof of all people gets dragged into the argument to prove a point.
The same folk who brought us the falsifiable global warmening also brought us western guilt for the famines of the third world.
The final arseabout argument they then give is that blame rests with us for war and famine anywhere on this earth.
Wake up and get a life.
gg
You're right gg,
let's stick to the people who have vested interests - particularly clumsy greedy capitalists who could give a sh*t about the future of the planet
PS so , in your opinion, overpopulation is not a problem ?
answer truly now - lol
don't change the subject with a lot of claptrap.
PS I've had a day devoted to Zen and the art of Mazda maintenance ... needless to say, I could have taught some sailors some new swear words (as much as I love Buddhism)
What are you smoking up there?
So perhaps then global warming comes about from the unsubstantiated hot air extinguished from a Garbled GumNUT arguing for the sake of an argument! Truly I do value my time more than this. Over population is not just a predictable response. Wakeup, it ‘s the problem and (for your sake) "any" climate change is just a remnant of this disease on top of forest clearing, rapid extinction of animals and water and air pollution.
The disease is too many humans.
Unfortunately us educated western societies can identify this problem but nothing will be done. Like financial stimulus packages, we just keep making patches and put our efforts into last minute endeavours to save some endangered rodents.
Written by John Stapleton, The Australian
Saturday, 29 November 2008
cold snap
EUROPE is shivering through an extreme cold snap. One of the coldest winters in the US in more than 100 years is toppling meteorological records by the dozen, and the Arctic ice is expanding. Even Australia has been experiencing unseasonable snow.
In May last year, The Sydney Morning Herald breathlessly reported that climate change had reduced the Southern Ocean's ability to soak up carbon dioxide, claiming that as a result global warming would accelerate even faster than previously thought.
The story was picked up and repeated in a number of different journals around the region.
But this week the CSIRO suggested the exact opposite. "The new study suggests that Southern Ocean currents, and therefore the Southern Ocean's ability to soak up carbon dioxide, have not changed in recent decades," it said. This time the story got no coverage in the SMH, and was run on the ABC's website as evidence the Southern Ocean was adapting to climate change.
the story is being pointed out as an example of media bias on global warming. Critics argue that the ABC and the Fairfax media are the worst offenders.
"The ABC and the Fairfax press rarely provide an opportunity for global warming sceptics to put their view," Mr Windschuttle said. "The science is not settled.
"We are seeing an increasing number of people with impeccable scientific backgrounds questioning part or whole of the story. I don't believe the ABC has been reflecting the genuine diversity of the debate.
"With very few exceptions, press reporters commenting on global warming are either ignorant of the science matters involved, or wilfully determined to propagate warming hysteria because that fits their personal world view, or are under editorial direction to focus the story around the alarmist headline grab -- and often all three," Professor Carter said.
National Climate Centre former head William Kininmonth said coverage of global warming had been hysterical and was getting worse, with a large public relations effort inundating the media with information from the alarmist side.
Both sides of this debate shift from " climate change " to " Global Warming " or vice versa and it makes for frustrating discussion.
Just in that piece you write there Wayne shuffles betwen the two a few times ....
I for one would debate that climate change is occurring but not neccesarily warming ....
Seems a Global recession should slow down our polluting ways though
You can't make a consistent argument more like it .
wayneL said:Climate Change is a term invented to cover the GWers @ss...
Climate Change = the symptom, GW = the cause.I always thought the term was chosen by governments because it sounded less serious then global warming.
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