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Calliope said:
And furthermore Red Rob your belief that that somebody on the loony left could be a forward thinker is an oxymoron.
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I don't and never have had such beliefs.
I simply asked you to prove you view on flat earth thinking and you did a Wayne on me.
 
rederob said:
Your arguments are getting more and more pathetic.
You keep attacking the man while simultaneously saying we should stop.
You keep invoking the "straw man" defence when your position is countered.
You keep quoting junk scientists and lay people to support your propositions.
You have not provided a shred of credible information in this thread that counters the recorded and visible evidence that is consistent with the theory underpinning global warming.
You appear to rely on snippets of information that fit your mindset, and remain closed to a contrary view.
You quote credentialled scientists that are skeptics, but are unable to disprove AGW.
The most rational scientists in this debate are not those that hold to a pro or anti position, but remain uncertain that the evidence is presently definitive. They do not dispute the science, but recognise much of the available data is conceivably within the bounds of statistical uncertainty.
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Sorry Red,

I don't find you credible enough anymore to take you seriously, some of the above points being demonstrably ludicrous.

I am satisfied with my position and at peace with my environmental actions, satisfied that they are superior to the alarmists.

Over and out.
 
wayneL said:
But my consistent argument is that the AGWH religion draws attention from other "real" and urgent matters.

If you love your grandchildren, focus on the other myriad of environmental catastrophes and stop shadow boxing against the nonsense of co2 induced GW. If approached in this way, co2, if a factor in CC, will reduce as well. ...
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if you look after the co2, the other pollutions will likewise reduce as well. :2twocents
 
glenn_r said:
I bet the people living in New York would enjoy some global warming right now....
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May be, but it is the juxtaposition of extreme heat and cold that increases weather activities, longer periods of heat lead at time to extreme (but shorter mind you) dashes of cold.

I mean, snow down at Las Vagas.
 
explod said:
May be, but it is the juxtaposition of extreme heat and cold that increases weather activities, longer periods of heat lead at time to extreme (but shorter mind you) dashes of cold.

I mean, snow down at Las Vagas.
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It snows here in Geelong every 10 years or so, has done for 1000's of years I believe, so do you have research to back up your statement?
 
glenn_r said:
It snows here in Geelong every 10 years or so, has done for 1000's of years I believe, so do you have research to back up your statement?
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Geelongs a bit far south, we even get a bit at Mount Martha. Las Vagas (northern hemesphere) is around about equal lattitude to Brisbane in our southern hemisphere.

Dont' need much science when we have clear observations. The twisters across the USA over the last five years have been the worst since records kept. Last year about 1000% up on 20 years ago. Not science, just what is happenning.
 
just amazing, whatever occurs, whether it's floods, drought, heat, hail or snow it's the fault of global warming..... Oh hang on, it's been proven that it isn't getting warmer anymore, better take down our charts and just call it "climate change" we can't go wrong with that.

The climate will always change..... They can't disprove that.

The cynicism of the church of climatology is incredible
 
slim pickins said:
just amazing, whatever occurs, whether it's floods, drought, heat, hail or snow it's the fault of global warming..... Oh hang on, it's been proven that it isn't getting warmer anymore, better take down our charts and just call it "climate change" we can't go wrong with that.

The climate will always change..... They can't disprove that.

The cynicism of the church of climatology is incredible
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I did not say anything in my posts about global warming, just the strange weather we have been having. And yes the thread is about climate change.

And just as amazing is the insistance that co2 emissions etc have nothing to do with some of the funny climate change. Bit early to decide that on our observations and anectotal I agree but if we are wrong we could be sorry.
 
explod said:
The twisters across the USA over the last five years have been the worst since records kept. Last year about 1000% up on 20 years ago. Not science, just what is happenning.
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MYTH ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are the number of tornadoes increasing?

The number of tornadoes that occur each year is not increasing, but the number of spotted and reported tornadoes is. The reason for this is that more people live in or travel through tornado prone areas than used to. This has led to better communication and reportings of severe weather.
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from http://www.wunderground.com/tornadoFAQ.asp

and http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/tornadoes_stats.htm
 
explod,
If climate changes that's fine by me. It's what's climates do. I live in London and it snowed 2 months ago. Surely we need more CO2 to heat things up a little.

I don't need charts and doctored science to tell me what heats up the earth.


It's the sun! CO2 in the atmosphere has a miniscule effect. It's as clear as day to me. Try it on a cold winter night. Pump your house full of CO2 and see how you go.

Alternatively, wait for the sun to rise in the morning, and compare the two.

The reason why the church is against CO2 is because it has connotations on the basis of our whole economy and way of life. Both of which the church wants to destroy.

The truth is carbon is life, the more of it out there the better the trees and plankton will grow.

All of our reductions will be wiped away with one bushfire. It's just a silly argument.

Mind you I have nothing against a planet clean from things toxic to us.
 
wayneL said:
Sorry Red,

I don't find you credible enough anymore to take you seriously, some of the above points being demonstrably ludicrous.

I am satisfied with my position and at peace with my environmental actions, satisfied that they are superior to the alarmists.

Over and out.
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I have backed up my points.
You have backed out of any reasoned debate.
Yet again you fail to substantiate your view.
Perhaps there's a positive correlation between ego and gutless wonderment?
 
2020hindsight said:
and conversely
if you look after the co2, the other pollutions will likewise reduce as well. :2twocents
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Seems like this is a mute point. What’s more important is who's right and who's wrong. Also how much money we may lose if we take a giant leap...forward. ;)
 
wayneL said:
I am satisfied with my position and at peace with my environmental actions, satisfied that they are superior to the alarmists.
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I agree with you Wayne, are the alarmists actually changing their habits?
How many are giving up their positions to help?
How many are really doing something?
It all stinks of TAX.
 
wayneL said:
Sorry Red,

I don't find you credible enough anymore to take you seriously, some of the above points being demonstrably ludicrous.

I am satisfied with my position and at peace with my environmental actions, satisfied that they are superior to the alarmists.

Over and out.
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SUPERIOR, excuse us for for trying to compete with your space OL CHAP.

I am not satisfied with any position because there is cridible evidence that climatic conditions are changing measurable faster than at any time before.

Read the "sixth extinction", a book published about 2001 which covers this matter from many views angles and actual physical mesurements and analysis.
 
rederob said:
I have backed up my points.
You have backed out of any reasoned debate.
Yet again you fail to substantiate your view.
Perhaps there's a positive correlation between ego and gutless wonderment?
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You are attacking the man here.
What points have you added that may back up your stance?
 
if anyone notices, I have not attempted to argue science with anyone on Here. This because there is no point and the science is bogus.

Science that leaves any doubt is not a very good science. Why base important decisions on bad science? ..... You do it cause of your political agenda. You failed with communism, so you are using environmentalism to achieve exactly the same thing.

No one here will agrue with good science. To don't see me questioning gravity or the properties of light. Or even the behaviour or sub atomic particles. That's good science. Easily proven. Even evolution is so well proven that it's becoming the norm for clergy to say that evolution is an act of god.

I can't say the same about GW science. That is just faith. Which makes you just another religion. Well there are better religions then yours that promise everything from virgins to free alcohol. You just can't compete:)
 
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