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basilio said:
With regard to the Rudd governments 5% reduction. It is a sick joke. If we are going to have any chance of stopping runaway global warming the overall amount of greenhouse reduction needs to be much more much quicker.

If anyone is interested in poking a stick at the Rudd government consider supporting Get Ups Boxing day Climate Change ad.
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You've made my day. Our erstwhile reliable, dependable, venerated climate change warrior Kevin Rudd has now been exposed as a mere politician.

This is a mortal blow to the true believers. Supporters of those who Rudd calls "extreme environmentalists" are now flocking to man the barricades. If the Get Up! mob combine with the hysterical chicks in the Rising Tide movement Rudd is doomed. After all it was the Greens who put him there. They now want their pound of flesh

And all because he broke a core promise!:D

People like 2020 who have put Rudd on a pedestal must now be having a rethink.
 
So this Garnaut guy has proven himself to be environmentally incompetent and one of the most environmentally destructive people on the planet.

As a self confessed greenie, how the **** can the minions following him around in here do so with such mindless regard to his own environmental destruction which is far far worse than any climate change bollocks...
 
chops_a_must said:
So this Garnaut guy has proven himself to be environmentally incompetent and one of the most environmentally destructive people on the planet.

As a self confessed greenie, how the **** can the minions following him around in here do so with such mindless regard to his own environmental destruction which is far far worse than any climate change bollocks...
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so chops ,
You have a problem with this article ? :eek:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/20/2451930.htm
Garnaut's assessment of climate plan 'offensive'
Posted 4 hours 14 minutes ago
Updated 2 hours 20 minutes ago

Unions have described economist Professor Ross Garnaut's criticisms of the Federal Government's carbon policy as "offensive".

Professor Garnaut says the Rudd Government is aiming too low in its unconditional target of a 5 per cent emissions cut by 2020, and the policy announced this week will put the economy at risk.

The Government's chief climate change adviser has also criticised the $3.9 billion worth of compensation for electricity generators outlined in the plan.

Professor Garnaut says the funding lacks a public policy purpose and the cost is likely to blow out and create a "large risk to public finances".
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PS Two more articles as follows :-
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/20/2451809.htm
Govt's emissions reduction target not high enough: Garnaut
Posted Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:19am
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/20/2451899.htm
The Federal Opposition says criticism of the Government's climate policy by Professor Ross Garnaut shows that Kevin Rudd has significantly watered down his original aims.
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let's face it , it's all politics - Labor are forcing the Libs to back them in the Senate, because of the level of denial in the community. They need to
a) stay in power, (in "these uncertain times") and
b) move this thing as much as they can.

And to be fair, we should lean on India China and particularly USA at Copenhagen . And the "5% now 15% then" policy would seem to have some logical (or maybe pragmatic ?) basis. :2twocents

PS IMO Garnaut has watered down his original stance, (so he also cannot be too critcal) ... and Rudd has watered it down even more.

But hopefully after Copenhagen, we ( as in the planet) will start to move this thing forward. :2twocents
 
No, I have a serious problem with this. In fact, in my eyes, it is a monumental problem I have with it:

Ok Tedi’s new mine owners accused of environmental damage

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 19/12/2008

Reporter: Steve Marshall

Thirteen years on from the revelation of shocking environmental destruction by the Ok Tedi mine in Papua New Guinea, the new owners and management of the same mine are being accused of environmental mistakes.
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HEATHER EWART, PRESENTER: Thirteen years ago, ABC cameras captured the shocking environmental destruction created by the Ok Tedi mine in Papua New Guinea. Those pictures showed tons of mud and mine waste polluting the river and the land around it.

Ok Tedi's former owner BHP agreed to pay more than $100 million in compensation to landowners before giving its majority share to a company called PNG Sustainable.

The role of the company is to invest in future projects on behalf of Papua New Guineans.

It has some high-powered people on its board, including the Australian Government's chief advisor on climate change, Professor Ross Garnaut.
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NO MATE!!!

He is on the board that is STILL OPERATING IT and is in full knowledge of the breach of its operating conditions.


If we want to "Save the Great Barrier Reef", it is acknowledge that the biggest danger to it, is silt being discharged into the Coral Sea from PNG!!!

Now guess what. One of the biggest contributors to this is, yep, you guessed it, Ok Tedi. Still.

Your credibility, and his, is permanently ****ed on this issue. So don't ever quote or reference him again because it is an affront to actual environmentalists.



There is no "was" about it, it is an "IS". And to suggest so is more than ignorant.
 
chops_a_must said:
So this Garnaut guy has proven himself to be environmentally incompetent and one of the most environmentally destructive people on the planet.

As a self confessed greenie, how the **** can the minions following him around in here do so with such mindless regard to his own environmental destruction which is far far worse than any climate change bollocks...
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So what has the revered Professor Garnaut done to earn this criticism?
All I've heard from him was today when he castigated Rudd & Co for being too timid.

This whole thing is getting to the point where it's so farcical it's funny.
 
Julia said:
So what has the revered Professor Garnaut done to earn this criticism?
All I've heard from him was today when he castigated Rudd & Co for being too timid.

This whole thing is getting to the point where it's so farcical it's funny.
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See above Julia.
 
I would agree Chops that the story is dreadful - if 100% true even worse.

But 13 years ago how serious was Professor Ross Garnaut on his current theme if available accurate evidence of weather that you could study?

I'm not saying either way as so much truth goes untold for decades - longer. Whilst rubbish is bantered around in front of us (mmm recent results of markets) and we go "didn't see that one coming" "my money".

Humans behave in pack manner with almost anything. Very few actually questioning beyong their comfort zone and enraging others.

I do agree without doubt the climate has been for sometime increasing, the causes manmade and natural but the one thing the earth has not had on it is the constant increasing burden of humans and their wants.

If we stuck to our needs things would be OK. Not necessarily living in the dark ages.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
This is all old news, next you'll be talking about the vikings wiping out the monasteries in Scotland and Ireland.

Lets talk about weather.

Its a typical late December day here in Townsville.

Whats it like in the warmening areas.

gg
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Julia said:
So what has the revered Professor Garnaut done to earn this criticism?
All I've heard from him was today when he castigated Rudd & Co for being too timid.

This whole thing is getting to the point where it's so farcical it's funny.
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It is a joke,

Its belief and politics.

Lets get on with life.

I am sorry I ever started this thread.

It seems to be a flytrap for the extremes of environmentalism and godbothering.

gg
 
Julia said:
So are you saying Garnaut is on the Ok Tedi board?
If so, how very funny indeed.
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Yes indeed Julia. Will be very interesting to see if the Libs can use this:

Dr Garnaut, who recently visited Port Moresby for climate change talks, reluctantly spoke to the ABC about the issue.

But as the chairman of PNG Sustainable and a board member of Ok Tedi, is it OK to let that amount of waste to go down the river?

ROSS GARNAUT, CHAIRMAN, PNG SUSTAINABLE: You would not believe the amount of effort that's gone into carefully managing that including the investment of $400 million in a project to remove the toxic sulphur from the project, including the commissioning of first one dredge, then a second dredge to remove material from the river. It's the most thorough and careful management of the environment that's ever been undertaken by a mining company. Thanks very much.

STEVE MARSHALL: But a management decision has let a huge amount of waste go down the river, Doctor.

ROSS GARNAUT: I do, I do, I do have to get back to climate change. That's what I'm here for today. There's are lot of people waiting for me at another place. So, very nice to see you, Steven. Goodbye.

PETER FACKLER: To remove the dredge out of the river system is totally against their operating conditions.

STEVE MARSHALL: Until two months ago, Peter Fackler was an Ok Tedi supervisor at the Bige dredging site. He was alarmed at the decision to remove the dredge.

PETER FACKLER: So that means that there's been a slug of around 20 million cubic metres that's working its way down the Ok Tedi River as we speak.

STEVE MARSHALL: Twenty million cubic metres of mining waste, enough to fill the Melbourne cricket ground 12 times over. Ok Tedi's website claims the company removes 15 million cubic metres of waste from the river each year, but this internal email reveals that the dredge removed just three million cubic metres of waste over an 18-month period.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2008/s2451559.htm
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Green08 said:
The dice have been case for the environment.
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You've got it in one Green.

It is the dice.

Read the Diceman.

A great book.

All this kerfuffle is like the Y2000 bug.

Pure conjecture, graphs and opinions by scientists.

Show me one instance where a scientist predicted an event 50 years forward, and was correct.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
You've got it in one Green.

It is the dice.

Read the Diceman.

A great book.

All this kerfuffle is like the Y2000 bug.

Pure conjecture, graphs and opinions by scientists.

Show me one instance where a scientist predicted an event 50 years forward, and was correct.

gg
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Fair call GG

Y2k was a huge con. A lot of businesses stopped spending on IT after being ripped off by 'industry experts'

A scientist who can predict future events hmm.....

I know
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Garpal Gumnut said:
I am sorry I ever started this thread.
It seems to be a flytrap for the extremes of environmentalism and godbothering.
gg
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Don't be sorry. You're on a winner. The smug, arrogant climate change zealots have been hoist with their own petard and are now is disarray.
 
Calliope said:
Don't be sorry. You're on a winner. The smug, arrogant climate change zealots have been hoist with their own petard and are now is disarray.
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Thanks Calliope , its a lonely rational effort refuting these godbotherers and warmeners.

No wonder Socrates was condemned for mocking the gods, not that I'm in his league by any means, but sometimes hemlock seems preferable to the way our great economy is being hijacked by these basket weaving zealots in this debate.

We dig dirt, we mine, we grow great crops, we fish, we have great flocks of sheep and cattle, we try to conserve water as best we can, and we respect the environment.

Our track record is way better than any other nation I know.

I don't mean to be ad hominem , but reason has flown out the door.

I fully expect this post to be either

1. Ignored or
2. Answered by a river of graphs.

Australia is a great country built on the efforts of hardworking men and women, not spoilers and whingers.

Can we close this thread now please.,

gg
 
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