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#231 was a sales graph that had nothing to do with military aggression.
If those are your "facts" I won't bother with the rest.
China and The West: Political Systems Compared and Contrasted
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#231 was a sales graph that had nothing to do with military aggression.
If those are your "facts" I won't bother with the rest.
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I regularly post facts, as I indicated.
You post opinion.
Where is your example of China's military aggression?
It's reminiscent of the Folau thread when at no time did you quote an applicable law, and went on and on and on and on and on and on and on posting infinitum.
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Tibet, Hong Kong, Sprattley Islands.
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Which are all part of China... so your point is?
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China invaded Tibet in 1950.
Sprattley Islands have not been internationally recognised as being part of China.
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Trump's MAGA strategy was failing:I am of the belief that Xi's aggressive posturing is in large part due to Donald Trump.
The latter's transactional approach to world affairs and aggressive attitude brought out the latent monster in Xi and changed China's approach to international relations.
Check out this excellent 3 part BBC programme.
BBC Two - Trump Takes on the World, Series 1, Episode 1
In his first year and a half, Trump relentlessly pursues his ‘America First’ agenda.www.bbc.co.uk
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So in 2018 he broke the WTO rule book and introduced tariffs.
Not satisfied with that he later invoked technology trade sanctions.
China's response was to agree on revised trade arrangements.
I'm struggling to see Xi's aggressive posturing as you put it.
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Tibet was always part of China's empire (check your history books), but somehow you are now going back over 70 years to make your point... seriously!
Sprattley and a host of other islands remain contested around the world. China had the means to settle the Sprattley dispute and settle the islands, without military aggression (given nobody was occupying the islands).
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I'm with you all the way, @rederob . China has been milking it and The USA is afraid of losing economic world dominance and there is disorder.
That BBC programme showed however how the game changed because of Trump's mad businessman approach to diplomacy and it changed the way other leaders reacted by copying him.
You'd have to watch it to understand where I'm coming from.
It's more about the vibe than the Chinese advantage or agreements, or of right or wrong..
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I suppose you would support the UK taking back Australia then ?
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Stay on topic please.
Your claims of Xi's aggression remain empty for now.
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That depends on who you ask. The Tibetan people have always asserted that they are not part of China. The Chinese have invaded and occupied Tibet a number of times, but Tibet has its own unique culture and identity that is separate to that of China.
If a nation says it is being occupied by a foreign power, I tend to believe them. The Tibetan people have steadfastly resisted Chinese occupation since 1950.
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@greggles - that's true in part. The question is how sovereign nations regarded Tibet:
"With regard to the position of Tibet in Asia, the British Government has been so good as to give an account of its historical attitude. For its part, the Government of the United States has borne in mind the fact that the Chinese Government has long claimed suzerainty over Tibet and that the Chinese constitution lists Tibet among areas constituting the territory of the Republic of China."
When Tibet's culture was threatened they appealed to the USA who did nothing!
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I can't agree that how other sovereign nations viewed Tibet is determinative. Sovereign nations have their own biases, loyalties and agendas that are not objective and are based largely on what political party is in power at the time.
For example, would you agree that Australia's current attitude towards China (Scott Morrison's) should define how others see China? Probably not.
I think we should ask the people on whose land China claims have sovereignty. Do they think that China has sovereignty over that land? if so, then fair enough. If not, then we have a problem.
The Tibetan people do not agree that China has sovereignty over Tibet. That is enough for me.
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Tibet was never a nation in the modern sense and never satisfied the accepted concepts defining a sovereign state.
I don't like what happened to Tibet, but it was hung out to dry by the West.
I don't know what Morrison's attitude to China is. Morrison reckons it's OK for a Chinese company to control the Port of Darwin, a rather strategic asset I would have thought. But not OK for Victoria to have a BRI with China, despite it having no strategic importance. I was somewhat amazed at the time the Darwin deal was done as every student of geography knows this port is the closest entry point into Australia from Asia. Did Morrison, the then Treasurer, do a snow job via the FIRB process that came within his ambit? Whatever the case, if Morrison is proposing that China's BRI initiatives give China stepping stones through the Pacific, etc., then his stance would appear hypocritical.
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Or China making claim on India's land? I suppose you could class it as passive aggressive. ?
India-China dispute: The border row explained in 400 words
Here's what you need to know about the border dispute high in the Himalayas.
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Some comments here remind me of this
www.theepochtimes.com
China’s ‘Wolf Warrior’ Diplomats Fighting Political Warfare Against the West
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Using The Epoch Times as a source on China is a good as using Fox News for America. My bad. Actually it's far worse as The Epoch Times is a front for Falun Gong (nearest equivalent being Scientology).Some comments here remind me of this
China’s ‘Wolf Warrior’ Diplomats Fighting Political Warfare Against the West
Anyway, here's the introduction to the Alaska Summit. You only need to watch the first 3 minutes as Blinken is talking about America's commitment to "strengthening the rules based international order" (@1:05). This is the very same America that walked away from the Paris Agreement, the World Health Organisation, that breached WTO rules by introducing tariffs, and which defies international law by continuing to occupy Diego Garcia. I could go on but I think the point is made.
Not content with that hypocrisy, he then raises concerns about China's internal affairs. What a numbnut! At 7:30 Jake Sullivan spoke about China's "economic and military coercion" but was never able to demonstrate this at the summit.
China's immediate response was give examples of America's two-faced stance, and America did not like it.
This was how the USA introduced the summit, and it was done with full media coverage. It was diplomatically inept in every possible way. As a quick aside, while there are translators, the Chinese representatives were fluent in English, but none of the Americans spoke Mandarin.
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As I said some comments here remind me of this excellent publication's story on Wolf Warriors. All they do is attack, criticise sources (as if their sources are infinitely better haha), and present so-called facts that they pull out of their rear ends. But you have to admit Beijing teaches them well.
www.theepochtimes.com
China’s ‘Wolf Warrior’ Diplomats Fighting Political Warfare Against the West
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I suggest you learn about the veracity of the source you use:As I said some comments here remind me of this excellent publication's story on Wolf Warriors. All they do is attack, criticise sources (as if their sources are infinitely better haha), and present so-called facts that they pull out of their rear ends. But you have to admit Beijing teaches them well.
China’s ‘Wolf Warrior’ Diplomats Fighting Political Warfare Against the West
"But it is not just states that spread disinformation. News outlets, fringe media and conspiracy sites—some with significant global reach—are also guilty of deliberately misleading their audiences. For example, in December 2019, Facebook took down more than 800 accounts, pages and groups linked to conservative Falun Gong-affiliated media company The Epoch Times for misrepresentation and coordinated inauthentic behaviour."
I linked C-Span's coverage of the Alaska Summit introduction, so anyone can see how poor (biased) The Epoch Times' version is regarding the event. America was not happy to be called out on the very issues it was hoping to gain from. On cybersecurity, as an example, everyone knows the USA is the biggest violator - ask Angela Merkel! Or go to Pine Gap and do a head count of Americans working there.Repeating junk links does not make your case better. If you actually have something meaningful to add, then please offer it.
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China's inflicted a pandemic upon the world and has never issued the slightest word of contrition or mea culpa. Their response was to make sure it was spread far and wide. To destroy evidence, to not cooperate, to shift blame, to persecute conscientious doctors and lab workers, to use their flunky in the corrupted WHO to spread their loathsome propaganda. Same with everything the filth do. They own top people in U.S government. Free Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Uighurs, South China Sea, Falung Gong, Christians and boot the slimebags out of the Darwin port.
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