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China and The West: Political Systems Compared and Contrasted
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Why do you bother posting on this topic?Yeah right, just like Putin.
Are you watering your ignorance on China so it can grow?
If Xi stuffs up in the next few years than he won't even get nominated, unlike in Australia where Morrison wears incompetence as a badge of honour and is, apparently, having a devil of a good time.
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To counter your continual peddling of Chinese propaganda.
As for stuff ups, its easy to blame those on underlings who then get the chop.
Xi like Putin has secured the Premiership by ruthless elimination of opponents and the employment of yes men.
When the average citizen gets to vote for the Chinese leader like they can in the US then I'll believe China is a democracy. Until then...
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All you have done is proven how devoid of content you are in this thread, aside from your gross ignorance after information has been linked.
China is a communist nation, not a democracy, so get over it!
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I certainly am over it, but you are not.
Apparently you want this country to be the same, is that correct ?
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Honestly, do yourself a favour and go elsewhere with your nonsense.
This thread is not about me, despite what you and @sptrawler keep digging over.
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Well , you are arguing the 'merits' of the Chinese political system and continually deriding the West therefore you must think that the Chinese have a superior system. If that's what you think, just say so and we can have a discussion based on 'merit'.
If you want Australia to be a communist country, have the guts to say so, I'm not going to say you should be locked up.
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I suggest you learn to read for comprehension.
I have consistently countered the ignorance shown by you and others here, and also pointed out that you seldom offer evidence to support what you say.
How is the fact that we don't directly vote for who will be our PM any different from Chinese voters who also elect officials who ultimately decide on their leader?
@Craton deserves credit for presenting some balance in his posts in this thread, and his points about Huawei were on the money. The problem with Australia's stance on Huawei, however, was that if they thought China could somehow hijack a 5G network because they built it (a really dumb thing to even contemplate) then they would also have the wherewithal to hijack any other 5g network built in Australia . Every network is vulnerable all the time and it does not matter who built it or whose equipment was used. That's just the world we live in.
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It is much easier to embed spyware in OEM equipment, than try and install it discreetly at a later date, when third party monitoring is installed.
Huawei ‘may have eavesdropped on Dutch mobile network’s calls’
Chinese firm could have been monitoring calls of KPN’s 6.5m users without its knowledge, report claims
Please note it is not Murdoch media. ?
When you consider the amount of people China arrests for 'breach of national security' monitoring phones would be very high on their to do list I would think.
Cheng Lei: Australian journalist arrested on China spying charges
TV presenter Cheng Lei, detained since August, is accused of supplying state secrets overseas.
www.bbc.com
After news assistants arrest, Chinese employees of foreign media on mainland express concerns
Aide on German newspaper staff detained after helping report on protests in Hong Kong
www.scmp.com
Lets be honest the AFP tap phones of people of interest, but we don't sell complet phone networks to other Countries, we may very well embed spyware capability if we did.
But I don't think it is dumb, to think a manufacturer couldn't or wouldn't embed unknown software abilities, ask VW.
China by its political stance against Australia, has shown Australia would be loopy, to allow a Chinese government funded company to install our 5G network backbone.
It isn't as though the Chinese government keep these companies at arms length and don't interfere in their operations.
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It's 2021.
The spyware you are talking about would be in the software and not the hardware. Any purchaser of Huawei would test their system for vulnerabilities in advance, so it would make no sense for Huawei's 5G to embed anything as it would destroy their credibility globally and ruin their business.
There is no doubt China is not soft in applying their laws on national security matters. A difference is that China's laws are not vague. Ours are!
If you think a company would risk over $100B in annual sales, then good on you.
Can you explain this please.
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Are you that naive ?
Huawei would get as many people as they could hooked before they turn on the bugs.
IFocus
You are arguing with a Galah
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Mean while The Australian Authoritarian LNP Communist Party continue to run secret trials
www.theguardian.com
Secrecy challenge by Witness K lawyer Bernard Collaery will itself be held in secret
Secrecy challenge by Witness K lawyer Bernard Collaery will itself be held in secret
ACT court closes hearing of appeal by lawyer representing whistleblower due to requirements of National Security Information Act
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You post confirms the hypocrisy that abounds in this thread.Mean while The Australian Authoritarian LNP Communist Party continue to run secret trials
Secrecy challenge by Witness K lawyer Bernard Collaery will itself be held in secret
Secrecy challenge by Witness K lawyer Bernard Collaery will itself be held in secret
ACT court closes hearing of appeal by lawyer representing whistleblower due to requirements of National Security Information Act
China does this and its scandalous.
Australia does this and it's in the national interest!
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No, it's scandalous here too for most people, except for a few politicians who want things covered up.
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How can that be so when it's the law, OUR law?
Our Attorney-General's representative said:
“The NSI Act enables the court to make orders to protect national security information in criminal and civil proceedings. It provides a framework for the court to balance the public interests in protecting national security, maintaining the accused’s right to a fair trial, and the principle of open justice.”
I haven't read media reports anywhere that this is scandalous.
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Who needs media reports ?
You can make up your own mind and so can I.
I think it's scandalous how whistleblowers are treated, how about you ?
I think it's more scandalous how they are treated in China. Incarcerated for years before they get a show trial. At least Collarey is free.
Here is a media report for you.
Doesn't say "scandalous", but "wrong", "dangerously undemocratic", "morally bankrupt", and "deceptive" make an appearance.
There is no place for secret trials in Australia
Whistleblowers do the right thing and make Australia a better place. They should be protected, not punished.
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Rob, you've used the national secrets act as a reason for not answering, if a person is caught breaching it there are penalties. I've had to sign it as well.
But as Rumpy says, I think the repercussions in China would be far more worrying, especially when the media isn't allowed to plead your case.
I think the balance of public interest rates about 0%, in the Chinese Governments ranking. ?
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I am just pointing out that our laws can be harsh instruments, and what's possible in China is equally possible here.
?It can't be scandalous Rob, you've used the national secrets act as a reason for not answering, if a person is caught breaching it there are penalties. I've had to sign it as well.
I can't reveal sensitive information that was gained while serving the commonwealth.
That has zip relevance to Collaery who was acting on behalf of a client in his private capacity.
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Who needs media reports ?
You can make up your own mind and so can I.
I think it's scandalous how whistleblowers are treated, how about you ?
I think it's more scandalous how they are treated in China. Incarcerated for years before they get a show trial. At least Collarey is free.
Here is a media report for you.
Doesn't say "scandalous", but "wrong", "dangerously undemocratic", "morally bankrupt", and "deceptive" make an appearance.
There is no place for secret trials in Australia
Whistleblowers do the right thing and make Australia a better place. They should be protected, not punished.www.canberratimes.com.au
Interesting if you read that article, that in order for the government to convict Collarey they would have to admit that they were engaging in a secret and possibly illegal spying operation.
No wonder the government wants it kept secret.
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I guess we are lucky that the crimes, that can incur the death penalty in China, aren't equally possible here?
Capital offences in China - Wikipedia
List of capital offenses[edit]
Crimes Endangering National Security[edit]
Endangering national security is among the crime categories included in the 1997 revision of China's criminal code.[9] It comprises Articles 102 to 113 of the 1997 Criminal Law and imposes the confiscation of property as a supplementary penalty.[10] The crimes included are:- Treason
- Separatism
- Armed rebellion, rioting
- Collaborating with the enemy
- Spying or espionage
- Selling state secrets
- Providing material support to the enemy
Crimes Endangering Public Security[edit]
- Arson
- Flooding
- Manslaughter
- Bombing
- Spreading poisons
- Spreading hazardous substances (e.g., radioactive, toxic, pathogenic)
- Seriously endangering public safety, broadly construed
- Sabotaging electricity
- Sabotaging gas, fuel, petroleum, or other flammables or explosives
- Hijacking aircraft
- Illegal possession, transport or selling of explosives or firearms
- Illegally manufacturing, selling, transporting or storing hazardous materials
- Theft of explosives or other dangerous material
- Theft of firearms, ammunition or other dangerous material
Economic crimes[edit]
- Production or sale of counterfeit medicine
- Production or sale of hazardous food products
Crimes against people[edit]
- Intentional homicide
- Intentional assault
- Rape
- Kidnapping
- Human trafficking
Crimes against property[edit]
Crimes against public order[edit]
- Prison escape, jailbreaking
- Raiding a prison
- Smuggling, dealing, transporting or manufacturing drugs
Crimes against national defense[edit]
- Sabotaging weapons, military installations, or military communications
- Providing substandard weapons or military installations
Corruption and bribery[edit]
Breach of duty by soldiers[edit]
- Insubordination
- Concealment or false reporting of military intelligence
- Refusing to pass or falsely passing orders
- Surrender
- Defection with aircraft or ships
- Selling military secrets
- Theft of military weaponry or supplies
- Illegally selling or transferring military weaponry or supplies
- Killing innocent inhabitants of war zones or plundering their property
- Cowardice
