China and The West: Political Systems Compared and Contrasted

[SirRumpole]

The drums of war are beating according to Home Affairs Secretary Mike Pezullo.

'Drums of war': Home Affairs Secretary says 'precious liberty' must not be lost in a message to staff

In an Anzac Day message to staff, Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo says Australia must strive to reduce the likelihood of war "but not at the cost of our precious liberty".

www.abc.net.au

Seriously, are we really going to send soldiers into battle over Taiwan against a country of a billion people ?

It's got to the point where the only military solution to Chinese aggression is the big red button.

But when are we going to wake up to the fact that China is expanding on the backs of Western consumers buying their cheap junk ?

We have to cut down their money supply and that means buying cheap junk from elsewhere or making it ourselves.

The West is so stupid.

 

[qldfrog]

The drums of war are beating according to Home Affairs Secretary Mike Pezullo.

'Drums of war': Home Affairs Secretary says 'precious liberty' must not be lost in a message to staff

In an Anzac Day message to staff, Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo says Australia must strive to reduce the likelihood of war "but not at the cost of our precious liberty".

www.abc.net.au

Seriously, are we really going to send soldiers into battle over Taiwan against a country of a billion people ?

It's got to the point where the only military solution to Chinese aggression is the big red button.

But when are we going to wake up to the fact that China is expanding on the backs of Western consumers buying their cheap junk ?

We have to cut down their money supply and that means buying cheap junk from elsewhere or making it ourselves.

The West is so stupid.

you do not understand @SirRumpole, you are such such a booooomer..
the world danger is western capitalism, we need a reset, stop eating meat, and pretend stopping CC by driving new chinese EVs powered by chinese PV panels, while wearing chinese masks to protect ourself from that evil virus created by global warming .
And then we will reach a nirvana of gender fluid society with equality of outcome especially for non white male..: all starving servant to our new Han masters. LOL
I am sure you (nor my dad and the generation of socialists /left wing in Europe) were not thinking this would lead to this when you were electing labour PMs and fighting racism.
I went thru that for a few years too..

 

[rederob]

The drums of war are beating according to Home Affairs Secretary Mike Pezullo.

'Drums of war': Home Affairs Secretary says 'precious liberty' must not be lost in a message to staff

In an Anzac Day message to staff, Home Affairs Department Secretary Mike Pezzullo says Australia must strive to reduce the likelihood of war "but not at the cost of our precious liberty".

www.abc.net.au

Seriously, are we really going to send soldiers into battle over Taiwan against a country of a billion people ?

It's got to the point where the only military solution to Chinese aggression is the big red button.

But when are we going to wake up to the fact that China is expanding on the backs of Western consumers buying their cheap junk ?

We have to cut down their money supply and that means buying cheap junk from elsewhere or making it ourselves.

The West is so stupid.

Can you explain where this "aggression" lies.
America and Australia and most of the rest of the world accept a one China policy.
Despite this, American sales of weapons to Taiwan is in excess of $30B over the past 15 years, so it's not hard to see who is stirring the pot.

 

[SirRumpole]

Can you explain where this "aggression" lies.
America and Australia and most of the rest of the world accept a one China policy.
Despite this, American sales of weapons to Taiwan is in excess of $30B over the past 15 years, so it's not hard to see who is stirring the pot.

Taiwan is not the only country China is menacing. Japan often has their airspace violated and of course we know what China is doing in the South China Sea.

They have a "salami" approach, slice by slice.

 

[rederob]

Taiwan is not the only country China is menacing. Japan often has their airspace violated and of course we know what China is doing in the South China Sea.

They have a "salami" approach, slice by slice.

Taiwan is part of China according to most of the world.
Airspace violations are controversial as large areas of the East China Sea's Air Defence Identification Zones are disputed.
So you have nothing!

 

[SirRumpole]

Taiwan is part of China according to most of the world.
Airspace violations are controversial as large areas of the East China Sea's Air Defence Identification Zones are disputed.
So you have nothing!

Are you a Chinese spy rob ?

 

[againsthegrain]

you do not understand @SirRumpole, you are such such a booooomer..
the world danger is western capitalism, we need a reset, stop eating meat, and pretend stopping CC by driving new chinese EVs powered by chinese PV panels, while wearing chinese masks to protect ourself from that evil virus created by global warming .
And then we will reach a nirvana of gender fluid society with equality of outcome especially for non white male..: all starving servant to our new Han masters. LOL
I am sure you (nor my dad and the generation of socialists /left wing in Europe) were not thinking this would lead to this when you were electing labour PMs and fighting racism.
I went thru that for a few years too..

This exactly, wars are no longer fought in the traditional sense not saying those ideas were seeded by a foreign power but definately china and Russia are doing all they can to feed and strengthen the fire. Divide and conquer

 

[rederob]

Are you a Chinese spy rob ?

I like to see people able to defend what they post with substance.
The unsubstantiated claims about China in the media are a worry, and stirring up a yellow peril mentality does nobody any favours.
Would you like me to write a little about where the Xinjiang forced labour idea comes from, so you can again see America at work?

 

[SirRumpole]

I like to see people able to defend what they post with substance.
The unsubstantiated claims about China in the media are a worry, and stirring up a yellow peril mentality does nobody any favours.
Would you like me to write a little about where the Xinjiang forced labour idea comes from, so you can again see America at work?

So when was this, the 1800's ?

The US has moved on, it's pointless comparing the slavery days in the US with what is going on in China NOW.

 

[qldfrog]

This exactly, wars are no longer fought in the traditional sense not saying those ideas were seeded by a foreign power but definately china and Russia are doing all they can to feed and strengthen the fire. Divide and conquer

As is, no war needing, the west is killing itself at an unbelievable speed.
For France:
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/r...officers-warn-of-country-disintegrating-46227
So China's path is open....

 

[againsthegrain]

I like to see people able to defend what they post with substance.
The unsubstantiated claims about China in the media are a worry, and stirring up a yellow peril mentality does nobody any favours.
Would you like me to write a little about where the Xinjiang forced labour idea comes from, so you can again see America at work?

If China is so accepting how come they don't have Mardi gras celebrations or celebrate Muslim minority holidays etc x50 for example?

 

[rederob]

So when was this, the 1800's ?

The US has moved on, it's pointless comparing the slavery days in the US with what is going on in China NOW.

Except that this is what is regularly trotted out and is as weak as the claims you made.
If you are going to make strong claims, why aren't you prepared to back them up?

If China is so accepting how come they don't have Mardi gras celebrations or celebrate Muslim minority holidays etc x50 for example?

Muslims and most of the 55 ethnic minorities in China have their own festivals at provincial levels.
Do you know anything about Chinese culture or are you happy to put your ignorance on display here?

 

[againsthegrain]

Except that this is what is regularly trotted out and is as weak as the claims you made.
If you are going to make strong claims, why aren't you prepared to back them up?

Muslims and most of the 55 ethnic minorities in China have their own festivals at provincial levels.
Do you know anything about Chinese culture or are you happy to put your ignorance on display here?

Just like the propaganda piece they did on the "education" camps for the Australian media?

Apart from that hard to know when everything is censored and only ccp sponsored content is showed, so I know enough to call bs on it

chinadiscovery.com

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yep sounds legit

 

[rederob]

Just like the propaganda piece they did on the "education" camps for the Australian media?

Apart from that hard to know when everything is censored and only ccp sponsored content is showed, so I know enough to call bs on it

chinadiscovery.com

Name: Registration Private
Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC

yep sounds legit

So you and @SirRumpole add to the thread without knowing anything about the topic!
Well done.

 

[SirRumpole]

So you and @SirRumpole add to the thread without knowing anything about the topic!
Well done.

So what are your qualifications that make you so more knowlegible than the rest of us on China ?

Do you think that the treatment of ethnic minorities in China and repression in Hong Kong is all Western propaganda ?

Do you think the crackdowns on journalists in China and the arrest of Cheng Lei is justifiable ?

Just what are you saying ?

 

[rederob]

So what are your qualifications that make you so more knowlegible than the rest of us on China ?

Do you think that the treatment of ethnic minorities in China and repression in Hong Kong is all Western propaganda ?

Do you think the crackdowns on journalists in China and the arrest of Cheng Lei is justifiable ?

Just what are you saying ?

Stump up with facts @SirRumpole.
You and @againsthegrain are so far vacuous.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I am of the belief that Xi's aggressive posturing is in large part due to Donald Trump.

The latter's transactional approach to world affairs and aggressive attitude brought out the latent monster in Xi and changed China's approach to international relations.

Check out this excellent 3 part BBC programme.

BBC Two - Trump Takes on the World, Series 1, Episode 1

In his first year and a half, Trump relentlessly pursues his ‘America First’ agenda.

www.bbc.co.uk

gg

 

[qldfrog]

I am of the belief that Xi's aggressive posturing is in large part due to Donald Trump.

The latter's transactional approach to world affairs and aggressive attitude brought out the latent monster in Xi and changed China's approach to international relations.

Check out this excellent 3 part BBC programme.

BBC Two - Trump Takes on the World, Series 1, Episode 1

In his first year and a half, Trump relentlessly pursues his ‘America First’ agenda.

www.bbc.co.uk

gg

come on GG, the only issue with Trump vs China is that he bluntly told them stop ******* us...
Actually Trump was the first US president with spine vs china policies, which did not wait Trump to be in place.
I was expecting Biden to roll over and get another injection a la obama, but he is actually surprisingly firm there, obviously, democrats are still mostly anti Russians, but they do not pretend yet that china is their best mate

 

[SirRumpole]

Stump up with facts @SirRumpole.
You and @againsthegrain are so far vacuous.

You ask me for facts, you haven't stumped up one yet.

 

[rederob]

You ask me for facts, you haven't stumped up one yet.

Your posts remain baseless.
Look at my posts #231, 232, 235 and 238 as recent examples that prove you wrong, aside from informing you at post #240 about why your claimed airspace violations occur.