China a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

[finicky]

Whenever I worry about this I remind myself that we have the finest and most stalwart leader ever in Anthony - "my word is my bond" -Albanese, whom the media organs of the CCP have perceptively dubbed 'handsome boy'. And not forgetting that other Aussie Penny Wong. So let's all take a chill pill - we have our very own home grown Donald.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

My favourite takeaway Chinese meals are Sweet and Sour Pork and Char Siu ( BBQ Pork ), both preferably served with Egg Fried Rice although if that is unavailable I have plain rice with the former and noodles with the latter.

I should add that Spring Rolls are a good starter for both.

gg

 

[Sean K]

My favourite takeaway Chinese meals are Sweet and Sour Pork and Char Siu ( BBQ Pork ), both preferably served with Egg Fried Rice although if that is unavailable I have plain rice with the former and noodles with the latter.

I should add that Spring Rolls are a good starter for both.

gg

I distinctly remember Lemon Chicken as a favourite growing up but haven't had it in 40 years. I vaguely remember a fried banana as well.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

My favourite takeaway Chinese meals are Sweet and Sour Pork and Char Siu ( BBQ Pork ), both preferably served with Egg Fried Rice although if that is unavailable I have plain rice with the former and noodles with the latter.

if made properly, salted fish fried rice is a meal in itself

 

[joeno]

What planet are you on? The New York Times? Tell that to the Tibetans, the Uyghurs, Falun Gong, Protestant Christians, Hong Kong, any Chinese individual who steps out of line. You think an extreme surveillance state is non violent? Where to be accused of a crime is to be automatically guilty.Tell it to the Filipinos who are seeing their islands infested by 'fishing fleets'. Why the intense miltary build-up - for defense? You think Xi Jinping is a peacenik? What about unleashing Covid on the world from their bio warfare lab and not a faint gesture of contrition but a menacing attitude to governments that wanted accountability? Why are they pouring fentanyl into western countries? They've killed heaps of us.

There's a lot of propaganda talking points to but to highlight a few:
- The idea of bringing up all these imaginary nonsense narratives like 100,000 of Uyghurs are being brutalized is the common propaganda tool of inventing lies so people start to talk about it and make fantasy a reality

- Falun Gong is a Scientology-like cult. Keep believing they have their organs harvested en masse without any statistical evidence

- There are some Chinese fishing fleets off the coast of the Philippines (especially in contested territory). And so what? Is that supposed to be a bombshell or something. There are conflicts like this between all nations everywhere.

FYI i think if you measure the murders committed by the few Uyghurs being targeted. Versus how many of them have been murdered, i have a STRONG suspicion it's something crazy like a 10:1 ratio.

All these attempts to balkanize an economic threat that is not willing to "kowtow" to US economic interests like Facebook did trying to make their product available there is too obvious and the lies fall through unfortunately.

List of wars and battles involving China - Wikipedia

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List of wars involving Australia - Wikipedia

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List of wars involving India - Wikipedia

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It's sad that when we talk about these topics it's almost like we have to talk like we're located in India rather than Australia. This is how much this country has been taken for a ride by the country with the largest number of r*pes, ultra-nationalistic propaganda and abject filthy sanitary conditions... and they're all bringing them here.

Let's sell our souls more to India please. It's bipartisan. Even more IT support, horrible customer service, ghettos and propaganda from one of 100s of Indian "news" outlets that will do whatever they can to push them to be world #1

 

[joeno]

Are you pushing this nonsense as some sort of troll or have you actually genuinely come to believe this insane propaganda? If it genuinely is the latter, it's as amazing as it is concerning.

The Chinese government pays huge numbers of propagandists to post this sort of counter reality nonsense on social media (this isn't some crazy speculation, it's a tangibly known fact), I wouldn't expect one of them to end up on this forum, but your posts reeks of one of them.

If you think China is safe, you clearly don't know about all the 'revenge against society' attacks going on. Even per capital, these are much worse than USA's shootings, and while the American media works to publicise them, China does everything possible to scrub them from social and mainstream media, and the problem is no doubt even larger than we realise.

If you don't think they steal IP, you are so divorced from reality I don't even know what to say. It's like arguing with a child who insists that fish live in the sky and birds live underground.

China is actively working on taking land from other countries. Look at the territory it is taking from India, Phillipines, it wants to conquer and take Taiwan and it has enough power that despite Taiwan clearly being an independent, sovereign country with its own government, military, complete autonomy in every way and a population and government all saying they are an independent country and overwhelmingly wanting to be an independent country, most of the world is too scared of China to say it.

China has been caught red handed infiltrating governments including Australian politicians. Australia (which is not unique I just use it as an example because this is an Australian forum) is stupid enough to allow CCP agents to work as Australian politicians, in Australian education systems, etc. These are literally people who answer to the CCP, a foreign government which openly states that the West is its enemy and it considers itself to be at war with the West. And you don't see a problem?

China openly has an ethnostate policy. Ethnic and cultural genocide are being carried out by the Chinese government. Sure, China isn't the *only* country in the world doing this (and the lack of awareness of this fact is extremely concerning! Australian tax dollars literally go out as 'foreign aid' to countries which are literally carrying out active genocide! It's insane! The Australian media certainly doesn't touch the topic...), but China is one of the largest offenders in the world per capita and certainly by absolute numbers. The main reason their numbers aren't any larger is that they've already been largely successful - sort of like if Hitler had wiped out most of the Jews and currently wasn't killing too many because there weren't many left and they were mostly just being held in prison camps, with a very few under tight control in a tourist area forced to smile and dance in performances for tourists, even though the fact that most of them are in prison camps being raped, tortured, killed, sterilised etc is openly available information. That's what the government you are defending is doing.

And what about the organ harvesting? Completely innocent people such as those involved with Falun Gong (a group interested in exercise and healthy living according to traditional Chinese ways, which the Chinese government previously supported until they became popular and the CCP just doesn't likely any group getting too large, even if it's just a positive lifestyle group, so they outlawed it!) are imprisoned, assessed, and killed for their organs to be sold. These is no shortage of clear evidence of this happening, and in massive numbers. If you want to you can go buy a heart, liver, lung etc from China, you absolutely can. The numbers of organs available out of China match up with the number of their innocent prisoners vanishing without a trace and have no other possible source... so if you need a heart transplant all it costs is the amount of money you spend, an innocent person's life, and knowing that you have helped to support the most evil regime the world has ever seen.

...I could go on and on all day, but whether you needed to hear this or your post was deliberate misinformation and the thread needed this post to balance your misinformation, I've provided it.

I absolutely encourage everyone to learn more about the current situation in China and the CCP. I have barely scratched the surface of the horror which exists there in the current day. The historical context is also very interesting and well worth learning about.

Any time you can, avoid buying anything made in China, and understand that the CCP today is worse than the Nazi part was in the 1930s. Before anyone accuses me of racism, keep in mind that I am not racist against Germans and wouldn't have been in the 1930s or 1940s either. I am not racist against Han Chinese (the ethnic majority of China which the Chinese government considers to be the master race), but the government and anyone who subscribes to its ideology is evil, just as Nazis were evil.

Not one statistical evidence just rhetoric that they are evil Nazis I'm guessing this poster is Indian (by username). What can be said can be applied to India with much more accuracy and with more statistical proof.

China isn't a perfect country by any means. It's not a country with "Good" human rights. It's about average though on a global scale, which is proportional to their economic development per capita.

India on the other hand is objectively terrible. A "Nazi" Hindu supremacist country that is intent on spreading their influence and wings in every corner of the world to push fairytales and agendas and to try and balkanize their adversaries. Whose Indian immigrants here in Australia will endless defend and praise India while essentially not giving a crap about this country and using .it as a stepping stone for Making India Great (... for once).

Look at the statistics for rapes per capita in India (and how much it is underreported). With evidence of Sexual Assaults CAPTURED ON YOUTUBE. Proof of their filthy living conditions and racism... CAPTURED ON YOTUBE. Harassment of people of different races and religions... CAPTURED ON YOUTUBE. Endless scams... CAPTURED ON YOUTUBE.

Why don't all the tourists including Aussies in China capture evidence for the barbaric acts which are claimed and post it on youtube?

Indian clowns like this guy trying to push through ChatGPT levels of fairytale to try and make "their competitor" (who don't actually really see India as a competitor) as negatively a possible.

He blabbed about organ harvesting. India has more organ harvesting than China lol. It was also actually LEGAL IN INDIA TO TRADE ORGANS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_trade

Go on, respond and get dozens of likes from the other Indian shills and bots on this board One wonders the nationality of all of these internet trolls Where are all the Chinese bots and spies liking my post and other contrarian posts that at least attempts to use logic and facts? Are they on vacation Another Indian fairytale debunked.

Also, free Khalistan It's an independent nation that is currently being oppressed and seized by India.

Khalistan movement - Wikipedia

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[Sdajii]

Not one statistical evidence just rhetoric that they are evil Nazis I'm guessing this poster is Indian (by username). What can be said can be applied to India with much more accuracy and with more statistical proof.

China isn't a perfect country by any means. It's not a country with "Good" human rights. It's about average though on a global scale, which is proportional to their economic development per capita.

India on the other hand is objectively terrible. A "Nazi" Hindu supremacist country that is intent on spreading their influence and wings in every corner of the world to push fairytales and agendas and to try and balkanize their adversaries. Whose Indian immigrants here in Australia will endless defend and praise India while essentially not giving a crap about this country and using .it as a stepping stone for Making India Great (... for once).

Look at the statistics for rapes per capita in India (and how much it is underreported). With evidence of Sexual Assaults CAPTURED ON YOUTUBE. Proof of their filthy living conditions and racism... CAPTURED ON YOTUBE. Harassment of people of different races and religions... CAPTURED ON YOUTUBE. Endless scams... CAPTURED ON YOUTUBE.

Why don't all the tourists including Aussies in China capture evidence for the barbaric acts which are claimed and post it on youtube?

Indian clowns like this guy trying to push through ChatGPT levels of fairytale to try and make "their competitor" (who don't actually really see India as a competitor) as negatively a possible.

He blabbed about organ harvesting. India has more organ harvesting than China lol. It was also actually LEGAL IN INDIA TO TRADE ORGANS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_trade

Go on, respond and get dozens of likes from the other Indian shills and bots on this board One wonders the nationality of all of these internet trolls Where are all the Chinese bots and spies liking my post and other contrarian posts that at least attempts to use logic and facts? Are they on vacation Another Indian fairytale debunked.

Also, free Khalistan It's an independent nation that is currently being oppressed and seized by India.

Khalistan movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wow.

I am not Indian, have no Indian ancestry etc, but your anti Indian rant is as insane as it is irrelevant. I have visited India, travelled around it by train and road tripping in private vehicles, know at least as much about it as I do China, could respond, but given how irrelevant it is I'm not going to bother.

China does utterly hate India though and is in the process of stealing land from India, so as a CCP shill it's not surprising you would be keen to attack them.

You have shown your hand in your India rant, so it's now clear where you're coming from. Clearly your brainwashing is not going to be possible to cure, but the majority of Australians do now understand that China has absolutely hideous human rights issues, and to say it's on par with the global norm is just an outright lie.

To try to pretend that India is trying to take over the world as a bizarre defense of China is honestly just stupid. China is taking over Africa, illegally claiming territory in Asia, bribing and corrupting politicians all over the world, manipulating markets blatantly, teaching school children that Han Chinese are a superior race, telling school children that the West is its enemy, etc etc etc. India doesn't do any of this, India hasn't pulled a 'Hong Kong' anywhere, India isn't trying to take over a country as China is with Taiwan, I could go on and on. I have no horse in the race or reason to be biased, I'm not going to defend India and it is indeed a highly dysfunctional and problematic country, but China is outright evil a threat to the world. India's problems are more internal - much more an issue of mismanagement which prevents it from being as successful as it otherwise might, as opposed to active evil which harms and threatens the rest of the world as well as actively, knowingly harming its own people as is the case with China.

I am not Indian, but you are Chinese. I don't hold that against you, I have huge admiration for Chinese people who oppose their government (huge respect to those riding bicycles to buy dumplings last year! I was in a country neighbouring China at the time and was inspired to ride bicycles to dumpling shops myself, silly as that may be!), but scum who support such evil are below dirt.

The mandate of Heaven seems to be in the process of being given with all the floods in China in recent years, which doesn't pair well with China's tofu dreg construction.

Do we need to mention that whole Wuhan thing from 2019?

By the way, why are you guys so desperate to snort rhino horn and gobble down dried tiger penis? You know doesn't work, right? Are you that impotent you're desperate enough to wipe out the worlds endangered animals in hope that just maybe it might help, even if just a little bit?

 

[joeno]

Indian propaganda at it's best. Yelling lies (or at best... exaggerations) and hoping other more capable people are able to do their dirty work to make India Great.

You make such grand accusations of anyone with contrarian views as Nazis - let's see how you're like in real life. Let's see if you talk the big talk and treat these "Nazis" as you claim the way Nazis are treated in history. You can try.

Let's put India in the spotlight:
- Have no principles morally on the world stage. They will wh*re themselves to any country that will take them in or give them resources. As seen with the US. As seen with Russia. And their little man Modi flying everywhere to talk about the greatness of India and how every country should open their borders to Indian immigration. I thought India was such a great country why ever leave??
- Trying to spread their influence and agenda in every corner of the world. One of the most ultra-nationalistic people who do not assimilate and will not waive their loyalty to India in Australia.
- Have one of the biggest propaganda and disinformation media networks
- R*pe capital in the world
- Even the high-caste Brahmin treated as royalty don't want to ever return. And are indeed almost 100% of the immigration.
- Discriminatory, humiliating caste system.
- Absolutely 0 women's rights. Women cannot go out at night alone without being r*ped.
- Average IQ 85
- Currently weakest physically according to global martial arts competitions and the Olympics. 0/0/0 medals in Olympic games despite having 1.4 billion people
- Intolerance to Muslims and other religions
- Highly racist towards non-Indians in and out of their own country. Well documented on youtube.
- Theft, scams are so commonplace higher than all other countries. Also shows how much they despise other nations since they usually scam elderly vulnerable Australian grandmas and the such
- Widely regarded as giving no value to the world, not even cheap labor since it is often of poor quality and service.

Allying with India over China is a huge mistake. Treating them as anything other than the biggest threat in this global chess game is a huge mistake. They must be isolated from the rest of the world. If they're so great they can make India great from within and leave the rest of the world alone.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

My favourite takeaway Chinese meals are Sweet and Sour Pork and Char Siu ( BBQ Pork ), both preferably served with Egg Fried Rice although if that is unavailable I have plain rice with the former and noodles with the latter.

I should add that Spring Rolls are a good starter for both.

gg

hi, Mr gg; any favourite Indian dishes?

Chicken korma?

 

[finicky]

Look, all we're trying to do here is have a finely balanced discussion about the 'Peoples Republic' whilst admittedly drawing attention to a few of its flaws.
The nick of 'joeno' intrigued me though, since getting these CCP propaganda files dumped on us. Firstly, the obvious regarding the name: doesn't 'joeno' remind you of the word 'China'? Two syllables. Beginning with a consonant, ending with a vowel. The last bit, 'no' also fits well with what we know of China: no, Taiwan is not a State, no, we dont harvest live organs from political prisoners, no, we don't lie about our bio-warfare labs ... Anyway, say it a few times: "joeno, China, joeno, China" - see what I mean? It could also be a play on the nick of our esteemed administrator, 'Joe Blow'. The words Joe Blow and joeno are 'homophones' - the Chinese CCP are great copyists but are also very impolite. Anyway I have assigned a small team with a remit to further unravel this quite sinister code.

 

[divs4ever]

Look, all we're trying to do here is have a finely balanced discussion about the 'Peoples Republic' whilst admittedly drawing attention to a few of its flaws.
The nick of 'joeno' intrigued me though, since getting these CCP propaganda files dumped on us. Firstly, the obvious regarding the name: doesn't 'joeno' remind you of the word 'China'? Two syllables. Beginning with a consonant, ending with a vowel. The last bit, 'no' also fits well with what we know of China: no, Taiwan is not a State, no, we dont harvest live organs from political prisoners, no, we don't lie about our bio-warfare labs ... Anyway, say it a few times: "joeno, China, joeno, China" - see what I mean? It could also be a play on the nick of our esteemed administrator, 'Joe Blow'. The words Joe Blow and joeno are 'homophones' - the Chinese CCP are great copyists but are also very impolite. Anyway I have assigned a small team with a remit to further unravel this quite sinister code.

i find it intriguing we decry certain policies in China but embrace and enforce them here ( in Australia ) , but of course we always use the very best of logic to apply those policies ( sarcasm )

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

hi, Mr gg; any favourite Indian dishes?

Chicken korma?

It has been my good fortune to travel extensively in Northern India from Delhi up to the Tibetan cousins who fled across the border and west to Kashmir where the Shiite cousins are unhappy with the gods of the Hindu cousins. Although I'd highly recommend the trip, I will not go in to the politics of the regions lest I aggravate the propriety and sobriety of posts previous. It has been my experience that in eating out one finds the best meals in the cheapest of dives and carts. I am blessed with a cast iron stomach and never vary from the 1+1 toilet routine while in India. So a good repas found in most villages and towns is Buttered Chicken, Chole Bhature with condiments, and rounded off with Kulfi, a delicious ice cream.

gg

 

[moXJO]

The larger discussion should be about "allies" actually doing anything. I think we are making a mistake thinking Americans are going to die protecting us. We need a bunch of nukes up the top end and then take a friendly position with everyone

 

[TimeISmoney]

The larger discussion should be about "allies" actually doing anything. I think we are making a mistake thinking Americans are going to die protecting us. We need a bunch of nukes up the top end and then take a friendly position with everyone

The US will protect the land of the OZ not because they love us skippy's but because they would never want all the minerals and farmland to end up in the Chinese hands during a war against them. As for the economy if people think Trump cares about us there, they need to reconsider their position, if he's pi$$ing in the faces of Canada and Mexico imagine what he wants to do with us.

 

[qldfrog]

The US will protect the land of the OZ not because they love us skippy's but because they would never want all the minerals and farmland to end up in the Chinese hands during a war against them. As for the economy if people think Trump cares about us there, they need to reconsider their position, if he's pi$$ing in the faces of Canada and Mexico imagine what he wants to do with us.

What about if Indonesia is moving in, guaranteeing US access to minerals, and explaining how their starving population needs the extra land...what will USA 2035 do?
Get nukes, and then start to talk..i agree, in the meantime, stay hidden and quiet

 

[Sean K]

The larger discussion should be about "allies" actually doing anything. I think we are making a mistake thinking Americans are going to die protecting us. We need a bunch of nukes up the top end and then take a friendly position with everyone

Check how many Americans died in the Solomons, Coral Sea, PNG, etc. Much, much closer to Australia than the US. Australia didn't go down the nuclear path after WW2 because the US put us under their nuclear umbrella. Our strategic location is obviously of great benefit to the US in protecting their Pacific interests, and that includes us.

 

[qldfrog]

Check how many Americans died in the Solomons, Coral Sea, PNG, etc. Much, much closer to Australia than the US. Australia didn't go down the nuclear path after WW2 because the US put us under their nuclear umbrella. Our strategic location is obviously of great benefit to the US in protecting their Pacific interests, and that includes us.

The world is changing quickly...

 

[divs4ever]

What about if Indonesia is moving in, guaranteeing US access to minerals, and explaining how their starving population needs the extra land...what will USA 2035 do?
Get nukes, and then start to talk..i agree, in the meantime, stay hidden and quiet

NOPE , that won't happen Indonesia accepted a membership of BRICS and only recently as well

Indonesia will increase exports/imports with BRICS members ( and the rest of ASEAN as well )

since India is already a BRICS member and with a massive population maybe India ( which nukes already ) will be the major threat in ten years time

 

[moXJO]

Check how many Americans died in the Solomons, Coral Sea, PNG, etc. Much, much closer to Australia than the US. Australia didn't go down the nuclear path after WW2 because the US put us under their nuclear umbrella. Our strategic location is obviously of great benefit to the US in protecting their Pacific interests, and that includes us.

That was a different time. The world has changed and is being carved up by the new powers forming. China is working its way down using soft power. There's a bigger deterrent having our own nukes than the US saying they are going to look after us.

They told Ukraine the same thing when Ukraine had a bunch of nukes left from the USSR. I question if the west has the intestinal fortitude to let their citizens die in a war. The demographics are just not in our favour. So much that losing large swathes of young men may be the end of countries ability to economically sustain themselves.

 

[moXJO]

Also China supplies everything. No one wants that smoke.