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we can thank old Gough and Bob for putting us in to this postion
China a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World
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Are you two claiming this was in "the Chinese Seas". Not sure why. All we know is that it was in the South China Sea that about 10 countries claim to own part of. What we've been told is that it was in 'international airspace'. We're supporting international laws. I'm sure we're monitoring Chinese military vessels at the same time outside of Nth Korean cargo vessels, but it doesn't warrant a fighter jet putting flairs in front of a surveillance aircraft over international waters. I'm really confused as to how this is an Australian caused problem.
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Why the hell do you think we're contesting them qldfrog? Is it because they are not CCP owned assets and the CPP's diplomatic modus operandi is thuggery? They draw their stupid 9 dash line in international waters and expect the world to obey it? Your apologist attitude to this aggressive totalitarian state is strange considering you are quite a pleasant moist amphibian generally
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Australia needs a wake up call as to its actual position in the world.
We are a fly playing in a bears and lions arena, moreover we willingly fully embedded our economy with China, down to even food supplies
If we could at least be realistic and have a clear position.
All the money spent playing second rate GI Joe vs China would be better spent getting a bit more independence from China economically .
We had a taste of our irrelevance during covid, and i have a feeling we went even further down since, isn't it saline solution and still antibiotics that are in shortage now?
Saline solution...hardly more than sterile salted water...
Should we mention petrol reserves
Or all these green energy grid supplies,?
So let's keep Australia safe(r) first..
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We're not nothing and we have allies. You are new here. We're not safer by not pulling on our oar with our allies. We've always done that. We're not New Zealand. The French tossed in the towel early in WW2, lol, and formed a Quisling government. China is a ruthless adversary that will walk all over weakness and appeasement.
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The Yanks didn't necessarily come here to protect Australia, they came here because it was a geographical strategy. They couldn't fly a plane directly to the South Pacific without refuelling in those days and being vulnerable. Aussies WW11 veterans hated the Yanks, they fought like hell against each other, look up 'The Battle of Brisbane". I was lucky enough to meet people who served in WW11 when I was a kid, my Auntie used to take them in and care for them and they all told the same story.
I didn't want to get involved in this tittle tatt but the truth matters here.
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I wish we were NZ, w/o Jacinta of course ...
(For your information after the irrelevant snipe and because urban legends are truly alive and the victors draw history
France lost 217,600 military personnel in World War II.
Nearly all of them in the first couple of months in 1940 during the actual invasion
So yes they were beaten flat ,charging panzers with horses and bombarded by planes they did not have but as opposed to the British view of non fighting gutless french troops, reality was different..
Feel free to check yourself if you do not believe me.
Per comparison, the Brits lost 383k military personnel on the whole wwii duration, inc Africa wars for a similar population.)
The question there is should an economic slave of China play tarzan with big toys against China, or should we not better try to sort our own mess, removing liabilities and dependences to be able to make independent decisions if need be.
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You don't say. I don't really see see where the big disagreement is. I don't have to have met WW11 vets as my father and uncle served in that war to the great cost of my father. Not claiming any credit in that for myself.
You don't have to be lovey dovey to be allies, sure it was an alliance of mutual benefit.
The stuff about Yanks and Aussies hating each other in Brisbane is a trivial distraction and probably overblown to fill newpapers at the time. Incidents did happen - my daffy mother was a Brisbane girl and dated U.S servicemen and mentioned the animosity. She loved Americans and enjoyed a lovely war at the same time that my teenage father, whom she hadn't met yet, was a slave in a Japanese POW camp for four years after his ship was sunk in the fall of Singapore. Australians were/are a bit xenophobic and some boofheads I guess took offence at being outplayed in the 'dating' game by Americans who were exotic, had more finesse, and had heaps of money to spend. But that's a nothing burger, the issue is state alliances for mutual defense.
Also I am not a glib cynic, I tend to believe there are fraternal relations between the U.S and Oz.
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Sorry for my crude sledge about France's surrender and the Vichy government @qldfrog, I was having a dig. There was a brave resistance, France was unprepared for Nazis.
*sledge
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"Sledge" is an Australian slang term that means to verbally abuse or criticize someone. It's often used in a sporting context, especially in cricket.
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*sledge
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"Sledge" is an Australian slang term that means to verbally abuse or criticize someone. It's often used in a sporting context, especially in cricket.
Origin:
- The term "sledge" comes from the word "sledgehammer".
- It was first recorded in the mid-1970s in a cricketing context.
- The practice of sledging is as old as cricket itself.
- The term "sledge" is thought to have originated at Adelaide Oval during the Sheffield Shield competition in the 1960s.
- "Sledging" is an informal term for when a sports player insults another player during a game to make them angry.
- The goal of sledging is to mentally disintegrate the opponent, lol
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If it wasn't for the gutless PM of Britain at the time of believing Hitler and giving him carte blanche and the Americans lack of being involved in WWII then maybe the capitulation of several countries to the Nazis may never would have happened.
You must have strange nightmares using such language lol.
China is a country that has in all of its history never relied on military strength or conquest. Look - they just aren't good at it and don't like it. Everyone who has a brain knows this. They used gunpowder for fireworks rather than guns. They built walls rather than siege towers. They didn't even lifting a finger against Japan who basically r*ped their country and 100s of millions of people in WW2.
They have weaknesses and flaws but the utter huge miscalculations and misinformation from the American-led western media will have negative consequences for everyone in the west and China.
I will give a few examples:
- Saying China is this violent genocidal monster of a country is a such a gross miscalculation that one should take it as a joke. Since it is probably one of the SAFEST, most non-violent and non-confrontational nations if you could scale a nation up to their size. I would be scared to see how 1.4 billion Nigerians would be like. 1.4 billion Maoris. 1.4 billion Saudis. 1.4 billion Americans!
- Saying they care about conquest, have military ambitions rather than just wanting to trade and build their own wealth
- Saying they stole IP because... why? Their phones are supposed to look different to iPhones and Samsungs? Because they build things on the back of other inventions? That's like saying everyone who reads a book is a thief
Fact: the only threat China has is against the mega corporations that feel they are being under-cut from making mega profits. That's it.
Such gross miscalculations and "cozying" up instead with true nationalistic countries like India that have opposing cultures and standards of civilized behavior will bring huge problems for Australian society in the future MMW. In fact it already has to some degree. I doubt the China misinformation and corporate shilling is worth the slow degradation of Australian society and the global society.
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What planet are you on? The New York Times? Tell that to the Tibetans, the Uyghurs, Falun Gong, Protestant Christians, Hong Kong, any Chinese individual who steps out of line. You think an extreme surveillance state is non violent? Where to be accused of a crime is to be automatically guilty.Tell it to the Filipinos who are seeing their islands infested by 'fishing fleets'. Why the intense miltary build-up - for defense? You think Xi Jinping is a peacenik? What about unleashing Covid on the world from their bio warfare lab and not a faint gesture of contrition but a menacing attitude to governments that wanted accountability? Why are they pouring fentanyl into western countries? They've killed heaps of us.
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All good , not disintegrated yet
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did you know heavily sanctioned Russia and North Korea share a common land border and are connected by a bridge ( at the very least )
given the Russian history of selling nuclear material in various forms , and China who shares a much larger land border with North Korea and are also being becoming more and more distanced courtesy of trade sanctions and tariffs , i am sure North Korea has no issues in obtaining more nuclear material what North Korea DOES transport by sea is medium range ballistic missiles ( to non-G7 nations )
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but France WAS prepared for the Nazis , but they left flaws it the line of defense ( Belgium ) and were complacent believing the Germans would never dare a major military thrust after WWIAll good , not disintegrated yet
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trust a military man to only dig out set piece conflicts haha
Since 1959, the CCP has embarked on repression and caused human suffering on an industrial scale.
Great Leap Forward , Cultural Revolution for starters
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I would go further and say the victims were and are mostly the Chinese people, and Khmer population as Pol Pot was a CCP by-product.
Sadly, the ideology behind these was nurtured in French universities by the very same left now outraged at Putin and Trump, and playing cosy with the most barbaric islamism.
Evil CCP is by far more benign IMHO than the rot being spread within the west borders by our WEF globalists and their servants parading so called leftists.
The threat is here, now, whereas ,if we could cut dependencies, China threat would be both remote and future..
Priorities...
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LOL
China has us hooked by our laziness and greed .. the Taiwanese Intelligence told us that when all the fuss about the Hunter Biden laptop when they laughed about greedy kleptocrats
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Are you pushing this nonsense as some sort of troll or have you actually genuinely come to believe this insane propaganda? If it genuinely is the latter, it's as amazing as it is concerning.
The Chinese government pays huge numbers of propagandists to post this sort of counter reality nonsense on social media (this isn't some crazy speculation, it's a tangibly known fact), I wouldn't expect one of them to end up on this forum, but your posts reeks of one of them.
If you think China is safe, you clearly don't know about all the 'revenge against society' attacks going on. Even per capital, these are much worse than USA's shootings, and while the American media works to publicise them, China does everything possible to scrub them from social and mainstream media, and the problem is no doubt even larger than we realise.
If you don't think they steal IP, you are so divorced from reality I don't even know what to say. It's like arguing with a child who insists that fish live in the sky and birds live underground.
China is actively working on taking land from other countries. Look at the territory it is taking from India, Phillipines, it wants to conquer and take Taiwan and it has enough power that despite Taiwan clearly being an independent, sovereign country with its own government, military, complete autonomy in every way and a population and government all saying they are an independent country and overwhelmingly wanting to be an independent country, most of the world is too scared of China to say it.
China has been caught red handed infiltrating governments including Australian politicians. Australia (which is not unique I just use it as an example because this is an Australian forum) is stupid enough to allow CCP agents to work as Australian politicians, in Australian education systems, etc. These are literally people who answer to the CCP, a foreign government which openly states that the West is its enemy and it considers itself to be at war with the West. And you don't see a problem?
China openly has an ethnostate policy. Ethnic and cultural genocide are being carried out by the Chinese government. Sure, China isn't the *only* country in the world doing this (and the lack of awareness of this fact is extremely concerning! Australian tax dollars literally go out as 'foreign aid' to countries which are literally carrying out active genocide! It's insane! The Australian media certainly doesn't touch the topic...), but China is one of the largest offenders in the world per capita and certainly by absolute numbers. The main reason their numbers aren't any larger is that they've already been largely successful - sort of like if Hitler had wiped out most of the Jews and currently wasn't killing too many because there weren't many left and they were mostly just being held in prison camps, with a very few under tight control in a tourist area forced to smile and dance in performances for tourists, even though the fact that most of them are in prison camps being raped, tortured, killed, sterilised etc is openly available information. That's what the government you are defending is doing.
And what about the organ harvesting? Completely innocent people such as those involved with Falun Gong (a group interested in exercise and healthy living according to traditional Chinese ways, which the Chinese government previously supported until they became popular and the CCP just doesn't likely any group getting too large, even if it's just a positive lifestyle group, so they outlawed it!) are imprisoned, assessed, and killed for their organs to be sold. These is no shortage of clear evidence of this happening, and in massive numbers. If you want to you can go buy a heart, liver, lung etc from China, you absolutely can. The numbers of organs available out of China match up with the number of their innocent prisoners vanishing without a trace and have no other possible source... so if you need a heart transplant all it costs is the amount of money you spend, an innocent person's life, and knowing that you have helped to support the most evil regime the world has ever seen.
...I could go on and on all day, but whether you needed to hear this or your post was deliberate misinformation and the thread needed this post to balance your misinformation, I've provided it.
I absolutely encourage everyone to learn more about the current situation in China and the CCP. I have barely scratched the surface of the horror which exists there in the current day. The historical context is also very interesting and well worth learning about.
Any time you can, avoid buying anything made in China, and understand that the CCP today is worse than the Nazi part was in the 1930s. Before anyone accuses me of racism, keep in mind that I am not racist against Germans and wouldn't have been in the 1930s or 1940s either. I am not racist against Han Chinese (the ethnic majority of China which the Chinese government considers to be the master race), but the government and anyone who subscribes to its ideology is evil, just as Nazis were evil.
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