Some mothers deny access out of spite for a failed relationship. Some deny access because they think the children can't possibly survive without them. Some deny access because they can't stand the thought of spending even one night alone or without them.
With my ex it was a combination of the above.
There was never any reason why I should not have time with the kids and was awarded overnight time as soon as I got in front of a judge. But it costs, and that is where the system sucks. Why should I have to prove to a judge that I am a worthy father? The mother will make up many lies and rearrange facts at will to contest the thing. Egged on by lawyers, as you say.
This blokes crime is dispicable. But it will be of interest to me as to what has occurred at the Family Court.
It doesnt matter what happened to him in Court or during the marriage failure , for him to do what he did shows a deep rooted weakness, selfishness and disregard for others that defies comprehension.
No amount of provocation could drive any normal person to do that.
From ABC, 30 Jan. 09
BRIDGE SAFETY QUESTIONED AFTER WEST GATE DEATH
Bridge safety is being questioned after a four-year-old girl was allegedly thrown off Melbourne's West Gate Bridge yesterday morning.
She was pulled from the river and flown to hospital but died later from her injuries.
Victorian Premier John Brumby says the State Government will do everything possible to speed up the implementation of further safety measures on the bridge.
"We're committed as a Government to putting in place the safety barriers on the bridge," he said.
"At the moment that work is scheduled to be completed when the $1.4 billion West Gate project is completed which is the end of next year."
A 35-year-old Hawthorn man has been charged with the girl's murder.
The Melbourne Magistrates Court was told the man was suffering from acute psychiatric distress and was suicidal.
He has been remanded in custody and will reappear in court in May.
They need to build a higher fence like the fence on the Gateway bridge in Brisbane, as a copper mate of mine tells me there is at least 1 suicide jump made off the Westgate each week.
Hopefully the hideous bas tard tops himself in remand and saves the mother a lot of anguish in court and of course a lot of tax payers money in keeping "it" safe and alive.
Some mothers deny access out of spite for a failed relationship. Some deny access because they think the children can't possibly survive without them. Some deny access because they can't stand the thought of spending even one night alone or without them.
With my ex it was a combination of the above.
There was never any reason why I should not have time with the kids and was awarded overnight time as soon as I got in front of a judge. But it costs, and that is where the system sucks. Why should I have to prove to a judge that I am a worthy father? The mother will make up many lies and rearrange facts at will to contest the thing. Egged on by lawyers, as you say.
This blokes crime is dispicable. But it will be of interest to me as to what has occurred at the Family Court.
Mr Burns said:Why would a mother try to deny access to the father ?
We are all outraged. His lawyer will say:
"No sane person could possibly do something like this to his own child".
Psychiatrists will testify that he was suffering a psychotic state at the time and cannot be considered responsible.
I'm not sure if we still have secure psychiatric facilities, but that's probably where he will end up.
And would his lawyer not in fact be right to suggest (and get psychiatric opinion in support) this person must have been insane?
And before anyone jumps on me for making excuses for a heinous act, I'm not doing any such thing. It just occurs to me that the situation is more complicated than perhaps first appears.
Why would a mother try to deny access to the father ?
Why would the courts waste everones time and money allowing her to persue that if there were no compelling reason why the father should be denied access.
No doubt you paid her bill too, her Lawyer probably urged her on, they do that, it's good for business.
But can't you see that if the mother did fight for custody through the courts, given the outcome, she may have been very right to do so? Maybe she saw inklings?
I think if he was not insane before the act, he most likely is now.
If she felt that way she should have had a restraining order out on him and he wouldn't have had the kids in his car, and if the ****ing State Govt had installed protection rails she may still be alive (excuse the French)
Maybe she did have a restraining order on him but the court said he could have access for the night? I dont think we can blame the state Government for this, unfortunately once someone makes up their mind to commit such acts then they will find the means.
If there was a safety fence, this wouldnt have happened, not there anyway.
If it was a spur of the moment snap this would not have happened.
This post by Julia goes someway to answering my question earlier in the thread. So the next question is should it be irrelevant if a person is insane or not? If the answer is no then that is it, these crimes will continue and these threads will continue where people whinge about the punishment not fitting the crime. It must be the case that society is a better place if sanity or other such factors are taken into account before punishment is dished out. If this wasn't the case would the law not have been altered by now?
IMO, the only time insanity should be used as a defense (not an excuse) is if it is pre-existing. If someone has a history of mental illness, reduced mental capacity, etc, then perhaps it does have a role to play in their defense.
But if you are perfectly "normal" up to that point and you snap, that's not insanity, temporary or otherwise. You snapped..........no defense, no excuse.
Mr Burns we cannot stop people from finding a way to do terrible things. The fence is a red herring. If he didnt do it then, he would have done it somewhere else. Maybe a hose in the car in a garage, maybe an overdose. Should we ban cars and hoses and garages then? The bridge is not the problem here.......
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