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CHC - Charter Hall Group

CHC is looking very attractive at these levels in my opinion, I have investments in a few of their property trusts, but up until have only had a minor holding in the actual company.

I have been going over the numbers for the last few days, even woke up at 3am this morning and went to my office to double check the numbers because I couldn’t stop thinking about what a good deal it seems to be at the moment.

So I have put an order in this morning for $13.20, which was above the indicative price of $13.10 at the time, but with long term value plays like this I just want to secure the stock, I don’t generally play, a few cents either side doesn’t bother me, I just want the stock, so hopefully the market doesn’t pop on open and I can get the shares for $13.20.

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The dividend looks small, because it’s only around 3% but they have a pretty small pay out ratio of about 35% of their operating earnings, so are retaining about 65% of their operating earnings.

This capital accumulation inside the business should boost earnings over time in a couple of ways.

1. The capital they retain and invest in their property funds should earn about 6%, in rental income.

2, The increased size of their property fund also means more management fees. (Management fees are based on a % of total funds under management and property values)

3, It allows them to borrow more inside the funds, which again boosts funds earnings and management fees.

Not only that, but I am confident that they should continue to see capital inflows from outside investors into their funds continue to grow as people see diversified long lease property as a good inflation hedge, and potentially a balancing force in their portfolios against stock market volatility.

So for now I am hoping I can get my hands on the stock today for around $13.20, and it will be a 10 year hold at least for me if the numbers play out as I estimate.
 
1 Buy .. 13,000 units .. $13.200
So I have put an order in this morning for $13.20, which was above the indicative price of $13.10 at the time,
Now the algorithm has adjusted. You are the market.

Indicative Price / Change
$13.200 /Up $0.180 (1.38%)
 
CHC posted their annual results today, it was a very solid year.

If you are after some quick information check out their results presentation, it’s got plenty of good information there, and a shows a great breakdown of their business, which is basically broken up into 3 parts.

1, Real estate Investor (their partial ownership of their funds)

2, Funds Management (earning management fees on their funds they manage)

3, Developer/Agent (earning development profits and transaction fees on developments and transactions untaken)
 
Am contemplating this stock as well, and for similar reasons you outlined...mainly, should hold up better than equities / not lose much value but I am confident there will be some good CG. Hoping to pick them up for around $11-12

I bought some CQE back in March '20 and that's done very well for me so far.
 
Been following this casually after Value Collector's post.
At an interesting level chartwise.
Have a very poor notion of what the business is or its vulnerabilities but have seen anything property related get hammered lately. Has a good history of rising earnings and is cheap against those using my crude calcs.
Dividend a bit lame.

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Lower low. Near past support. Has broken its recent uptrend. Ambivalent about its prospect and wary.
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This is looking undervalued to me and very good for a buy and hold.
At 10.67 or there about certainly looks cheap, but one of many.

FUM is down due to revaluations and well the SP cannot go up with FUM falling can it? FUM
for all managers is something that cycles up and down, with generally more up than down.
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Still wary of the chart. Just guessing but my idea is there could a head and shoulders continuing to play out - neckline at $15 (or possibly sloping 15.50) and my target for that is $8 (or $9). The recent 2 month rally has been weak and could be a bear flag that is now breaking down - target again $8. Trigger might be ex dividend, 29 June?
Reading around there seem to be fears that there could be asset valuation writedowns ahead as well as doubts about return to office after 'work from home', smaller spaces required, stronger bargaining position of tenants, fum dropping. Clueless about all that, which is why I resort to charts in unfamiliar territory.
Greg Canavan recent recommended Dexus (DXS).

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Greg Canavan recent recommended Dexus (DXS).
Can't think why as , just this week Dexus reported reductions in asset valuations since last January . ( - 7 % ? ) Offloaded a couple of large properties , too , so now flush with cash.
More details to come in annual report in August .
 
@dyna "Can't think why as , just this week Dexus reported reductions in asset valuations since last January"

His buy recommendation was on 15 June but he was well aware of the valuation issue and figures that it is already discounted in the DXS price. He thinks it is worth $10 on an expected 5% ROE in fy24 (my roundings).
I hold no torch for DXS and have no current intention of buying, just relating another property fund with office investments.

Small excerpt from his 15 June report:
"There is a lot of noise around office valuations right now. Just last week, DXS sold a prime office tower — 44 Market Street in Sydney — at a 17% discount to its book value. That sounds bad, but the stock price trades at a 30% discount to book, which means it’s already more than factored in such pricing.

My valuation, which is based on the profitability of the earnings (ROE), says fair value for DXS is around 0.85-times book value, which is a 15% discount to the current book value. In my view, the market will get back to that level in the months ahead."
 
Can't think why as , just this week Dexus reported reductions in asset valuations since last January . ( - 7 % ? ) Offloaded a couple of large properties , too , so now flush with cash.
More details to come in annual report in August .
Dexus heavily exposed to Office - avoid.
 
Why can't some wiseguy , here , start a Dexus thread ?
Huh ?...not me mate , I'm just the big ideas man.
Gone fishing , anyway .
 
CHC keeps making new lows in the 2 year downtrend. Recent Dexus (DXS) daily chart looks a bit similar.

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plenty to be leery about in REITs currently

but are they worse than corporate and sovereign debt in the coming scenario , after all many REITs are leveraged on tangible assets ( properties ) and sure costs of owning those properties could become a headache in itself

REITs provide a potential for income plus a capital gain ( but a potential capital loss as well )

i hold CLW and an carefully accumulating them , and several other REITs

REIT management will be pivotal in each REIT's destiny in the next 10 years

take care ( but i would rather be in REITs than corporate debt currently )
 
plenty to be leery about in REITs currently

but are they worse than corporate and sovereign debt in the coming scenario , after all many REITs are leveraged on tangible assets ( properties ) and sure costs of owning those properties could become a headache in itself

REITs provide a potential for income plus a capital gain ( but a potential capital loss as well )

i hold CLW and an carefully accumulating them , and several other REITs

REIT management will be pivotal in each REIT's destiny in the next 10 years

take care ( but i would rather be in REITs than corporate debt currently )
CLW looks tempting ATM, I own listed and unlisted REITS.
I managed to snap up CQE when it bottomed in early 2020.
I buy REITS for the steady(-ish) dividends.
 
CLW looks tempting ATM, I own listed and unlisted REITS.
I managed to snap up CQE when it bottomed in early 2020.
I buy REITS for the steady(-ish) dividends.
have an order in for CLW at the moment ( but not very close to the action )

this time i am using them as income sources , in 2011 to 2016 i was using corporate bonds for steady( ish )income
 
REITs having a relatively good day today: CHC, DXS, ABG, ASK, GMG being the ones I follow.
Greg Canavan thinks they could be the best contrarian opportunity on the ASX.
But he thinks the interest rates are close to peaking.

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