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As I have said on numerous occasions, nursing training should be taken back into hospitals, where those suitable get the support and exposure.
As opposed to the new system, where everyone who passes the exams gets the qualification, nursing is most about suitability to the calling. IMO

http://www.theage.com.au/business/w...f-leaving-the-profession-20160928-grq75z.html

We really are a bunch of lost souls, IMO.

Another case of Australia striving for mediocrity.
 
sptrawler said:
As I have said on numerous occasions, nursing training should be taken back into hospitals, where those suitable get the support and exposure.
As opposed to the new system, where everyone who passes the exams gets the qualification, nursing is most about suitability to the calling. IMO

http://www.theage.com.au/business/w...f-leaving-the-profession-20160928-grq75z.html

We really are a bunch of lost souls, IMO.

Another case of Australia striving for mediocrity.
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I agree, but they'd never do it and you know why. The money that formal university education generates is enormous. If 1/3 leave after graduating, demand skyrockets --> $$$$$$$ for universities.
 
SirRumpole said:
This must be all Labor's fault, even after 3 years :rolleyes:

Australia crashing down international leaderboard for education, falling behind Kazakhstan


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-30/australia-declines-in-global-education-report/8077474
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Looks like it's ripe for a whole lot of that privatised entrepreneurial goodness that's working wonders in the power, utility and manufacturing sector.

Oh yea, my kid's class went to watch a movie at the cinema for an "excursion". It's not an IMAX documentary and the movie ain't about some historical figure... maybe that's a good thing... but still... if I want to pay $100+ a year for a movie excursion, I demand at least 4 movies a year dam it.
 
Yeah, it's all Labor's fault! :rolleyes:

They came into Power when Howard's Baby Bonus Kids came of school age. The right thing would've been to build new schools, especially in those areas where teenage parents had boosted their welfare payments by baking some more bonus babies, creating another generation of welfare recipients.
Alas, it didn't occur to Labor that all these kids required special needs schools, not just a few laptops under Rudd's Education Revolution. Had Labor spent the required amount of money building schools rather than insulating homes, all these bonus babies would now be ready for University. Not to mention the extra profits Power Companies could've made from selling more power to cool and heat uninsulated homes.
Due to Labor's failing on those fronts, there are now fewer dividends and taxes from Power Companies, as well as fewer Uni students, forcing the LNP Government to keep cutting University funding, which in turn dumbs down the next generation.

Labor has thus turned Australia from "the Clever Country" to a nation of Hanson and Abbott voters.
 
And the Uni Students that did graduate with Honours can't find a job. "Jobs and Growth" a hundred times over and 19 applicant's to the job.

So following the mobile phone around is where we are at. :1zhelp:

Disclosure: I am a member of the Australian Unemployed Workers Union.
 
pixel said:
Had Labor spent the required amount of money building schools rather than insulating homes, all these bonus babies would now be ready for University.
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A lot of schools apparently got halls so that the kids could get out of the rain at lunch time.

Where of course they would swot up for their next lesson.


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Liked the sarcasm of your post pixel, I'm sure our resident troll will respond. :D
 
SirRumpole said:
This must be all Labor's fault, even after 3 years :rolleyes:

Australia crashing down international leaderboard for education, falling behind Kazakhstan


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-30/australia-declines-in-global-education-report/8077474
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It will always be Labor's fault, them and the CMFEU.

I'm guessing a lot of us older people have forgotten how we were always the bridesmaid and imported brains were put at the front of queue as educated desirables.

I'm also guessing us oldies remember when male teachers were not universally pedophiles and allowed in the classroom unsupervised. Traditionally the hunter gatherer and warrior afflicted male brain has a more analytical bent towards maths and science, which I understand is where we are falling down, while more important things like human (let's talk about our feelings) sciences are in excellent shape.

Finally why would we be interested in training our kids to be me too workers? Where is our differential advantage in being a drone forced to keep up with drones in other countries. It's not like we have any industries that require anything but mundane tasks ...... it's not rocket science.
 
Tisme said:
Finally why would we be interested in training our kids to be me too workers? Where is our differential advantage in being a drone forced to keep up with drones in other countries. It's not like we have any industries that require anything but mundane tasks ...... it's not rocket science.
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Yes, you are right , we don't have the industries to employ highly skilled workers and we never will have unless we have the skills, vicious circle.

However we are not talking about rocket science but basic literacy and numeracy that these skills are built on. I put it down to high levels of welfare, baby bonuses and family tax benefits resulting in parents not caring about their kids education as long as they get the money.

Maths and science are too hard for most parents, and probably for teachers too so the kids don't have much chance really.
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes, you are right , we don't have the industries to employ highly skilled workers and we never will have unless we have the skills, vicious circle.

However we are not talking about rocket science but basic literacy and numeracy that these skills are built on. I put it down to high levels of welfare, baby bonuses and family tax benefits resulting in parents not caring about their kids education as long as they get the money.

Maths and science are too hard for most parents, and probably for teachers too so the kids don't have much chance really.
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I put it down to a maternal education system that has seen the cotton wool and everyone gets a medal mantra, smother playground activities, smother competition amongst peers, the disappearance of the male interaction and role modelling, the advent of feminised male behaviours, the promotion of sexual persuasion suggestiveness, etc.

Children have no time to be analytical (or physically fit) when they have a constant bombardment of compliance with social and conduct rules forced on them to consider by teachers who are instructed to do so by a bureaucracy that seems to have a desire to eliminate pastoral care from teachers who are more than robots.

Naplan is a great idea, but I think it now permeates the agenda rather than assess it.


And we will never have any smart industries while the politics isn't 100% behind it ... the great Ozzie cultural cringe
 
Tisme said:
I put it down to a maternal education system that has seen the cotton wool and everyone gets a medal mantra, smother playground activities, smother competition amongst peers, the disappearance of the male interaction and role modelling, the advent of feminised male behaviours, the promotion of sexual persuasion suggestiveness, etc.

Children have no time to be analytical (or physically fit) when they have a constant bombardment of compliance with social and conduct rules forced on them to consider by teachers who are instructed to do so by a bureaucracy that seems to have a desire to eliminate pastoral care from teachers who are more than robots.

Naplan is a great idea, but I think it now permeates the agenda rather than assess it.


And we will never have any smart industries while the politics isn't 100% behind it ... the great Ozzie cultural cringe
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Maybe the government schools have given up trying to create excellence and just go for the lowest common denominator, leaving the private schools to pick up the gifted kids.

I suppose it's always been that way, but State schools seemed to have higher standards when I went to school.
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe the government schools have given up trying to create excellence and just go for the lowest common denominator, leaving the private schools to pick up the gifted kids.

I suppose it's always been that way, but State schools seemed to have higher standards when I went to school.
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The report was predicated on Science and Maths poor outcomes. Chances are we will find out there was some kind of anomaly in the dataset and we are doing swimmingly well, but behind some Nordic country that snows people in for 6 months of the year.

Maths is fairly static insofar as the basics, so the standards shouldn't have budged, but I do recall my kids were learning stuff at least a year later in their ages than I was. This isn't a problem in my books and most of us use apps, macros and programs to do the heavy lifting on that score.

Science can be a moving feast, but I'd like to know what benchmark is used to measure student outcomes on an international scale. Demographics because of geographics would tend to skew the focus for each country IMO.
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe the government schools have given up trying to create excellence and just go for the lowest common denominator, leaving the private schools to pick up the gifted kids.

I suppose it's always been that way, but State schools seemed to have higher standards when I went to school.
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I thought private schools are just for kids whose parents could afford it, talent got nothing to do with it. Sure, they might give a few scholarships here and there to the talented kids, but that's more to attract talent than anything else.

Selective schools would be where the talent, or obedience, would be right?
 

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