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Bwahahahahahaaahahha a haaah ahha ... no, just the shirt off my back.

I reckon they are onto something here. Anything that generates heat and puts electicity back into the grid has got to be good for the environment. All in the size of a washing machine to boot. Way of the future ...no doubt !

Just annoyed that someone is having a HUGE buy in at 15c and dropping a bundle at 17c. And it's not me ! Boo hoo.
 
trainspotter said:
So where is thing headed? It bumps between 15.5c and 17c on a regular basis. What is the factory gonna do other than "allegedly" produce the units themselves? Why Germany? Would it not be cheaper in China?

trainspotter, i recall seeing this spike up to about 24cents recently, where it got traded pretty heavily for a while, before settling into this range-certainly in my eyes has some upside with its green credentials, and that is a large potential market in europe-i believe they have an agreement with e.on (uk) in place, and once production starts ,hopefully the product will catch on in a big way-e.on is a large energy entity in uk, so they must see some merit in bluegen-cheers
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Thanks berbuoy. How recent was 24 cents? I jumped in at 18c on the downslide. Got to admit the concept really caught my eye. I reckon once they can actually mass produce these things and evidence the ecological benefits then all of Europe will want one. But alas. I will wait until then and place them in the bottom drawer for the moment.
 
trainspotter said:
Bwahahahahahaaahahha a haaah ahha ... no, just the shirt off my back.
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I reckon they are onto something here. Anything that generates heat and puts electicity back into the grid has got to be good for the environment. All in the size of a washing machine to boot. Way of the future ...no doubt !
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Certainly hope so, though I think it will have a bigger market in europe than here in aus

Just annoyed that someone is having a HUGE buy in at 15c and dropping a bundle at 17c. And it's not me ! Boo hoo.
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Smartypants eh.........I was watching them climb and bought a bunch more at 20c......then the market dropped:eek: now sitting about 10% ahead overall:rolleyes:

cheers
 
trainspotter, it was on the product launch , about 23rd may -there was some big volume for a couple of days-perhaps some instos got on board with the new product launch.
 
Any reason for the drop? I read/heard/braille that they had dumped a lot of money into some country or another whose economy went KAPUT ? :confused:
 
berbouy said:
trainspotter, it was on the product launch , about 23rd may -there was some big volume for a couple of days-perhaps some instos got on board with the new product launch.
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Thanks berbuoy. Heated at the launch only to settle back to reality by the sounds of that ! Was kinda hoping that it would start to show signs of a pulse about now. MID JULY that is.
 
Been looking at this one for awhile, there was a whole page on it in the age today (an advertising feature though and seemed to just rehash stuff from their announcements), it seems like a good idea and provides baseload power as welld but 8k seems like a lot for people to fork out to retrofit their existing homes.

It might have a place for new estates though.
 
pulse may quicken a bit as news of the production startup gets closer- and if the company updates holders of its progress with eon and other euro and japanese power interests-hopefully an interesting 6 months ahead for cfu-good luck if you still hold ....
 
suhm said:
Been looking at this one for awhile, there was a whole page on it in the age today (an advertising feature though and seemed to just rehash stuff from their announcements), it seems like a good idea and provides baseload power as welld but 8k seems like a lot for people to fork out to retrofit their existing homes.

It might have a place for new estates though.
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I just don't think a lot of people will buy it for $8000 (plus maintenance and installation costs, plus the the cost of replacing the ceramic core every 5 years and a complete new unit every 15 years, plus the cost of a water boiler if you want to avail yourself of that as well). It would have to be not much more expensive than a conventional hot water service to have a high take-up rate, or else be very heavily subsidised by the Government.
 
It might have a place for new estates though


having been involved on large estates in the building game in europe, i have seen first hand the huge push towards green alternatives and energy efficiency-and many of the uk estates for example have thousands of new homes under construction;and the mega builders over there like barratt-wimpey-persimmon etc build or plan to build hundreds of thousands of homes - new homes are massive business over in europe, now if there was a tie up with builders-cfu-and energy providers, who knows what would be the result as more and more homes are needed-and the unit price would surely be reflected in the order sizes.dyor as they say.
 
Stamp "CARBON NEUTRAL" all over it and some other fancy, new age, save the whales slogan and it will sell in the millions. I can see the packaging now "This device will help fix the hole in the ozone layer" and "No baby seals were clubbed to death in the making of this product". Millions it will.
 
trainspotter said:
Stamp "CARBON NEUTRAL" all over it and some other fancy, new age, save the whales slogan and it will sell in the millions. I can see the packaging now "This device will help fix the hole in the ozone layer" and "No baby seals were clubbed to death in the making of this product". Millions it will.
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Maybe they can also claim that it's organic too? I can see a picture of the clay being lovingly removed from the ground to make the ceramic plates...
 
Perfect Hedders, you are a marketing guru ! Some big boobed, scantily clad model thrusting her hands into oozing clay and rubbing it all over her body demostrating how "organic" the product is. Perfect. They are starting to form a queue just to get close to the thing let alone buy one.
 
Your talents lay wasted here Trainspotter- CFU's marketing dept will be on the phone to you shortly no doubt. Maybe CFU could sponsor mud wrestling? I just need something to make the SP go back over 22c- been holding them for a while now and not sure if I should top up at the current price.
 
The share price has consoldated quite well and the 3 times price of the raising is still going strong. I am expecting that CFU will continue flat for a few months until we get confirmation manufacture has begun. Then we should expect another decent rise.

You must remember the energy cost savings in Europe of this technology is better than it is for us as electricity is more expensive that in Australia. Also the fact that the units provide waste heat is useful in the colder countries of Europe and Japan. I would expect payback to occur over quite a short time frame for an apartment block using this technology.

Also, if you are bringing out a new product, you don't promote the lowest price. The idea is to get back your capital before you start discounting.

We should see some marketing reasonably soon. Can't wait!
 
Happy days !! This pregnant rollerskate has given birth at last ! Climbing it's way above 18 cents ! Maybe they made the TV advert with the sexy bikini clad girl afterall? Any news anyone?
 
Knobby22 said:
I am expecting that CFU will continue flat for a few months until we get confirmation manufacture has begun. Then we should expect another decent rise. !
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I am of the same opinion- the big spike happened after announcement that the bluegen had been completed, they will need to show evidence of its marketability before we will see another, bigger rise
 
I suspect that the price rise has to do with the upcoming price rises in electricity.

People dont realise that we are about to get whacked with price rises of UP TO 20%, at least in NSW....and other states as well

Its not getting much publicity. surprise surprise

As hot water accounts for a very high % of power use, CFU will be in a good position to benefit.

I am about to get a heat exchange hot water system fitted, which, with rebates will cost me $500, for a $4700 system.

The installer claims this saves about 75% on hot water power usage, normally meaning a 15 to 20% reduction in total power consumption.

I am a CFU holder, but their technology is not ready yet
 
awg said:
I suspect that the price rise has to do with the upcoming price rises in electricity.

People dont realise that we are about to get whacked with price rises of UP TO 20%, at least in NSW....and other states as well

Its not getting much publicity. surprise surprise

As hot water accounts for a very high % of power use, CFU will be in a good position to benefit.

I am about to get a heat exchange hot water system fitted, which, with rebates will cost me $500, for a $4700 system.

The installer claims this saves about 75% on hot water power usage, normally meaning a 15 to 20% reduction in total power consumption.

I am a CFU holder, but their technology is not ready yet
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Two Questions were asked :-
* Will the initial cost be more expensive to install than other alternatives.
* When will production start in Germany and if you have any firm orders to date.

The following information was received today from CFU which may be of interest to all share holders:-

Like all technolgy, early units will cost more than commercial units - costs are driven by volume. But we come down the cost curve in relatively low volumes _ we don't need to sell 10,000 to be competitive.
Cost comparison depends on what the alternative is: if it's "doing nothing" and just using grid power, then yes, that may be cheaper (at least until power prices start to rocket!). If the alternative is another form of mCHP system (Stirling engine, I/C engine etc), then the value proposition is quite different. They are all "heat-led" _ they make a lot of heat and a small amount of power. If the heat can't be used they have to be turned off (eg.during summer) We are the opposite: we make power with a small amount of heat.
We have deliberately designed our technology to maximise electrical efficiency (which means morepower, less heat) because power is more valuable than heat.(And the incumbent heating techology, a condensing boiler, is >95% efficient _ tough to beat.The power grid is 35% efficient _ so beating that creates value. If a mCHP can't make power or heat more efficiently than the incumbent then we'renot sure what benifits it gives....) Our modelling indicates our product can generate significant returns and create value, even at higher unit prices than some of these alternatives.

Heinsberg is on track for opening in October 09.
 
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