wayneL
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lol. When I buy a derivative I buy a derivative. I don't buy the underlying stock. Sure (as anyone who has even flicked through the ASX options booklet knows) the option will get it's move from what the underlying stock does but how is that even remotely relevant to my purchase? Are you saying that if I buy a call for $5,000 I am suddenly exposed to hundreds of thousands of dollars of stock? lol, you might want to go back and read the intro to options book dude.
If I buy something for 80c and it moves to 100c in one day and I sell it for a 20c I have made a profit of 20c on an 80c investment. That is ALL I care about.
lol to anyone who doesn't understand that. I have NO exposure to anything other than the option I bought. My maximum loss is the investment I made in the option. Nothing at all to do with how much the stock is worth - AT ALL!! The only interest I have in the stock is to what it move and make my plays according to that move but I always trade JUST THE OPTION. I'm not making any promises to the market when I BUY an option. Wow, is that really so difficult to understand? Maybe a basic course in options is what some of you need to do before replying here again. That and get new batteries for your calculator...lol
To give you a little benefit of the doubt; I think maybe you're getting all confused. Slow down, take a deep breath and read a little more on how options work and you might understand what buying an option exposes you to. It's...umm, the option. Nothing else.
$1100 profit after $75 brokerage.
I would have had to have 87K to achieve the same profit had I short the actual stock.
Just booked a nice profit this morning on NCM April Puts...
But how much do you have in your account? What percentage did you risk on this trade.
And if a 90C drop was your target what the hell was your stop?? 45 cents? 1.1% against you? Looking at this trade if that was your target 2.5% overnight move in the stock there wouldn't be a long term trader on this site that thinks that trade was anything other than a sh!te trade.
Sorry
Bill
Although there is already abundant evidence of your petulant immaturity and a total lack of professionalism through you consistent name calling, thank you once again for highlighting the same...
Lets assume for a moment that Bill's system has a positive expectancy (even though he has offered no evidence that this is in fact so).
$1100 profit after $75 brokerage.
I would have had to have 87K to achieve the same profit had I short the actual stock.
Not bad for just a 90c drop in the stock price. I was in this trade for less then half an hour of market time but yes I held the Options over the weekend.
I took a punt on this trade with profits and my stop would've been no more that 50% of my option price. I KNOW this is a risky way to trade but I actually only use Options occasionally with found money when I see a compelling technical entry and I want to take a punt.
Actually you would only have needed to short only $42k of stock to make $1100
with any cfd provider @10% margin is only 4.2k capital and you'll have DMA access and better spreads.
Plus the fact that you'll actually earn interest on the short position over the wkend.
Mr Wayne, posting slabs of theory proves nothing against me. You can't erase history just because it doesn't suit your theory. I've been doing this for years and years. You know some theory - big deal. I know some theory as well. Do you know everything? No. Do I know everything? No. What you just posted proves nothing. You don't need to be a bio-chemist to buy and sell apples. You (and people like you) like to impress (mostly yourselves) with all the theory in the world - sometimes down a molecular level. Who cares?
Sky - sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you on CFDs being better than holding a cash option, CFDs involve MASSIVE amounts of borrowing. It's scandelous how many providors forget to mention that to new traders (seen it happen too many times). If things go wrong (like the stop doesn't hold - which I've seen happen) you are left with a MASSIVE debtr to your broker who wants it immediately. You (and all who suggest CFD are "better" than options) are comparing apples to acid and advocating massive debt and borrowing. Not real smart. Some of us don't want to borrow massive amounts of money. Some prefer trading just with the cash they have and can afford to lose. Smarter - in many ways.
Sky - sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you on CFDs being better than holding a cash option, CFDs involve MASSIVE amounts of borrowing. It's scandelous how many providors forget to mention that to new traders (seen it happen too many times). If things go wrong (like the stop doesn't hold - which I've seen happen) you are left with a MASSIVE debtr to your broker who wants it immediately. You (and all who suggest CFD are "better" than options) are comparing apples to acid and advocating massive debt and borrowing. Not real smart. Some of us don't want to borrow massive amounts of money. Some prefer trading just with the cash they have and can afford to lose. Smarter - in many ways.
Bill
all Ive done is point out the flaws in using options for daytrading and voice my disapproval that you teach others a suboptimal method. these things you can not deny so you bluster and name call.
BTW my name is wayne lawrence and i live in hawkes bay nz.
any other questions?
Sky - sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you on CFDs being better than holding a cash option, CFDs involve MASSIVE amounts of borrowing.
If things go wrong chances are you'll lose your margin. If things go MASSIVELY wrong you'll be in debt sure. If you're so concerned just put on a guarantee stop loss: Now you've got the same protection as an option without any greeks to worry about.It's scandelous how many providors forget to mention that to new traders (seen it happen too many times). If things go wrong (like the stop doesn't hold - which I've seen happen) you are left with a MASSIVE debtr to your broker who wants it immediately.
Oppies have no visible borrow cause its priced in. Risk management intraday on all but the most liquid lines is a joke with liquidity and spread issues.You (and all who suggest CFD are "better" than options) are comparing apples to acid and advocating massive debt and borrowing. Not real smart. Some of us don't want to borrow massive amounts of money. Some prefer trading just with the cash they have and can afford to lose. Smarter - in many ways.
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