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GENERAL Pervez Musharraf is a typical army man. Diplomatic niceties are not his forte. Down to earth idiom is his. Consider this advice to Russia, a nation he has been trying to cultivate: ``Recognise Taliban and buy peace''. It is very blunt and to the point. ``The only way to influence how the Taliban act is by recognising the regime,'' he told Izvestia, the Russian daily, in a recent interview. His argument is simple: ``No one but the Taliban are capable of guaranteeing peace in Afghanistan today. Wh ether anyone likes or not the Taliban are a reality.''
comment from the peanut gallery - Bhutto was (allegedly) gonna take the fight to the Taliban (northern provinces) - and (as chops pointed out) Musharraf has done a deal with em instead
your book go down that road gg ?
PS some worrying press releases
http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessline/2001/07/13/stories/041355rr.htm
"No one but the Taliban are capable of guaranteeing peace in Afghanistan today?" ??
we might as well give it to them ??
The inevitable question after any assassination is: who benefited from it? The answer in this case is Musharraf and the extremists. Bhutto was the enemy of both. Could they have worked together to eliminate her?
With her murder Musharraf has had his chief rival removed and he can resume his authoritarian rule with the Americans off his back: Washington has nowhere else to turn. He is the man. He has secured power--for the time being anyway. Musharraf has played America brilliantly. His intelligence service helped create and still has ties to al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Indeed, Bhutto accused him of harboring extremists for just such an attack. Their claim of responsibility gives Musharraf deniability, since he is supposed to be fighting them.
Now Musharraf can clamp down on the human rights and democracy crowd, his real enemy, while running his phony war against extremists, all the while taking American military aid intended to fight terrorism and use it to upgrade his defenses against India. A very clever, but dastardly plan.
If Musharraf's claims are to be believed, then rogue elements of his intelligence service were involved in the killing and not Musharraf himself. But the effect is the same: he is not effectively fighting the terrorists and he benefits from their enmity with democracy and from American financial backing.
But Musharraf's game is dangerous. For the moment, the Taliban and al-Qaeda won't touch him, because he has their back, as it were. He is an uneasy ally for now, keeping the gullible Americans, or at least American public, believing he is actually fighting them.
Musharraf must fear that this game will last only until al-Qaeda and the Taliban feel strong enough to try to overthrow him and rule Pakistan with their allies in military intelligence. That day hopefully may never come. But in the meantime he is a very useful placeholder for them.
“Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry.”
PS some worrying press releases
http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessli...s/041355rr.htm
thanks gg
this is not a bad website also ..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-lauria/who-benefits-from-bhutto_b_78584.html
Winston Churchill :-
Aired on 2nd November 2007,David Frost the presenter did not challenge her on her assertion (2:14) that Bin Laden was murdered, so maybe he was and the West has not announced it. It would make sense that the West would cover up such a truth, as Bin Laden is needed as a "bogeyman" to continue the farcical "War on Terror"
Speaking exclusively to The Sun, Asif Ali Zardari said: “We are still in mourning but it is right the elections are going ahead.”
He spoke out as President Pervez Musharraf announced that Scotland Yard detectives are to investigate the murder.
Asif added: “Restoring democracy in Pakistan would be a fitting tribute to my wife. She had defied extremists and terrorists to bring freedom back to this country.”
The election, due to take place next Tuesday, will now be on February 18. Asif, 51, is co-chairman of Benazir’s Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) alongside the couple’s only son, Bilawal,
lol - good idea - watch the five cent pieces and the ten cent pieces look after themselvesgg said:I'm sure you can borrow it from your local library, if you'r concerned about your trading profits going to Pervez M.
including claim that Bin Laden Murdered
Bhutto's husband attacks Musharraf death 'insult'
Posted 4 hours 45 minutes ago
Benazir Bhutto's husband has attacked Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf for saying the opposition leader was to blame for her own assassination by poking her head out of her car sunroof.
Asif Ali Zardari also said that Mr Musharraf's admission that a bullet may have killed her - not a blow to the head from the sunroof lever as officials previously said - showed the authorities had "something to hide".
"I think he is trying to shift responsibility, to say the least," Mr Zardari, 51, said in an interview late on Monday at the Bhutto family's ancestral home in the rural southern village of Naudero.
"She's on record of having written to him asking permission for international assistance and security which they denied her," said Mr Zardari, who has called for a UN probe into his wife's death.
Mr Zardari's comments intensified the rancour between Mr Musharraf and Ms Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP), now co-chaired by him and the couple's 19-year-old son, Bilawal, ahead of February 18 elections.
'An insult'
Mr Musharraf told US television network CBS that Ms Bhutto was at fault for putting her upper body outside the sunroof to greet supporters at an election rally on December 27, moments before she was killed in a gun and suicide attack.
"I think it was she to blame alone. Nobody else. Responsibility is hers," he said.
Asked if he felt insulted by Mr Musharraf's comments, Mr Zardari added: "It's a total insult to the cause of democracy that he could not save the one person that could keep Pakistan together."
"They have changed stories four times... Why do you think you change stories? Because you have something to hide," Mr Zardari said.
He dismissed Mr Musharraf's claims that Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network was behind the attack.
But he said that if elected, the PPP would continue Ms Bhutto's pro-Western outlook and strong stance against Islamic militancy, adding that he would welcome more US assistance.
Musharraf calls for Bhutto's exhumation
Posted 8 hours 26 minutes ago
Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf called for the body of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto to be exhumed as he rejected charges that the Government was complicit in her assassination.
In a wide-ranging interview with Newsweek magazine published online, Mr Musharraf also again refused to let the United States launch CIA operations against Al Qaeda in Pakistan.
Pakistan has been in turmoil since Ms Bhutto's assassination on December 27 and her Pakistan People's Party has challenged the Government's reports on her death.
No autopsy was ever conducted.
While her party insists she was struck by a gunman's bullet before a suicide bomber blew himself up, the Government has said she was killed when she banged her head on her car's sunroof.
Mr Musharraf has since said that it is possible she was killed by a bullet.
In the latest interview he said Ms Bhutto's body should be exhumed to determine the cause of death once and for all.
"Yes, exhume it - 100 per cent - I would like it to be exhumed," he told Newsweek from Rawalpindi.
But he ruled out ordering a post-mortem without the agreement of Ms Bhutto's family.
Asked why he should not use his executive power to order one, he said: "Everything is not black and white here. It would have very big political ramifications."
"If I just ordered the body exhumed, that would be careless, unless [Bhutto's] people agreed. But they will not."
He said Ms Bhutto's supporters have not agreed to a post-mortem "because they know it's a fact there is nothing wrong".
(yet he admitted there might have been a bullet involved??)
"Everybody is trying to gain political advantage - the entire opposition is trying to take political advantage."
Ms Bhutto's family has said it will only agree if Mr Musharraf allows a UN-led inquiry into the murder, which he has ruled out.
"There cannot be a UN investigation," Mr Musharraf told Newsweek.
"There are not two or three countries involved. Why should there be a UN investigation? This is ridiculous."
Mr Musharraf was also asked in the interview about reports that the US is thinking about launching CIA operations in Pakistan with or without Pakistan's approval.
"We are totally in cooperation on the intelligence side," he said.
"But we are totally against [a military operation]. We are a sovereign country. We will ask for assistance from outsiders. They won't impose their will on us."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/01/06/do0602.xmlIf a Bhutto must run Pakistan, why not Fatima?
Bhutto niece raps Bilawal choice
Ninety militants killed in Bhutto suspect hunt
Posted 7 hours 35 minutes ago
Pakistani soldiers have killed up to 90 Islamist militants near the Afghan border, after the CIA chief linked the leader of the extremists in the region to the assassination of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.
The fierce clashes were the latest in a series to rock the lawless Pakistani tribal region of South Waziristan, the stronghold of wanted Islamist warlord Baitullah Mehsud and his Al Qaeda and Taliban allies.
Militants have stepped up attacks on troops in the region since Ms Bhutto was killed last month, underlining US fears Pakistan is spiralling out of control ahead of February 18 elections.
CIA director Michael Hayden earlier told The Washington Post in an interview that Al Qaeda and allies of tribal chief Mehsud were behind her killing at a political rally on December 27.
"This was done by that network around Baitullah Mehsud. We have no reason to question that," Mr Hayden said, echoing assertions by President Pervez Musharraf's Government about Ms Bhutto's death.
The CIA chief was quoted as saying there is a "nexus now that probably was always there in latency but is now active: a nexus between Al Qaeda and various extremist and separatist groups."
The rebels have shown their growing strength in the past week, capturing a Pakistani paramilitary fort in the tribal belt and killing seven soldiers on Wednesday, with another 15 troops still missing.
Soldiers yesterday fought off a "large number" of insurgents who surrounded another fort at Ladha in South Waziristan and attacked it with rockets, the military said in a statement.
"Security forces used artillery, mortars and small-arms fire to engage the miscreants. Reportedly, 50-60 miscreants were killed and [the] rest of them dispersed," it said. There were no casualties among troops, it added.
Separately, in the Chaghmalai area of South Waziristan, militants ambushed a convoy moving from the main town of Wana, prompting a fierce-one hour gun battle, the statement added.
Between 20 and 30 rebels were killed, while four troops were injured and two army vehicles damaged, it added.
Pakistani helicopter gunships also opened fire on two suspect cars near a third fort in South Waziristan on Thursday, killing a further eight militants, it said.
The growing boldness of the militants in challenging Pakistani troops is set to provoke a bloody showdown in the tribal belt, with pressure on Islamabad to take action against Mehsud. Mr Musharraf's Government issued a purported telephone recording of Mehsud, the day after Ms Bhutto's death, in which he is is said to congratulate one of his followers for her assassination.
But many Pakistanis are sceptical about the tape, and also about the conflicting official accounts of whether she died from a gunshot wound, a suicide blast or a head injury from her car sunroof.
The country has also seen no let-up in a wave of suicide bombings that have killed nearly 900 people in the past year, with an attack on a Shiite mosque in the north-western city of Peshawar on Thursday leaving 10 people dead.
Echoing Mr Hayden's claims about a "nexus" of extremist groups, Pakistani officials said they believed the Sunni extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which has close links to both Mehsud and Al Qaeda, was behind the Peshawar attack.
"The bomber first fired some shots and then blew himself up. The modus operandi is the hallmark of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and it shows they have plans to stoke up sectarian hatred," a senior security official said.
Pakistan is on high alert ahead of the weekend Muslim festival of Ashura, which is often hit by sectarian violence. Ashura is when Shiites commemorate the death of the Prophet Mohammed's grandson in the seventh century.
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi has strong links to Osama bin Laden's network and its members have been convicted of involvement in the 2002 murder of US reporter Daniel Pearl and in several attempts to kill Mr Musharraf.
just for the record... Musharraf allegedly being tough with "islamic militants"
British police investigating the murder of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto concluded she was killed by a head injury caused by the impact of a bomb blast, not by a bullet, they said in a report released on Friday.
British police say blast killed Pakistan's Bhutto
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSISL20840120080208
British police investigating the murder of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto concluded she was killed by a head injury caused by the impact of a bomb blast, not by a bullet, they said in a report released on Friday.
Seems to me another consipracy theory laid to rest. On another note her corrupt husband is trying to become prime minister...Scary.
no argument from me kimTo put it to rest, she was shot in the neck which can be clearly seen in this video
I don't understand the motive for covering up the actual modality of her death.To put it to rest, she was shot in the neck which can be clearly seen in this video ==> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2a_1199047237
Now a days the conspiracy theory seems to be the governments official story.
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