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Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack at rally

sharif: the elections are now pointless, meaningless, and of no relevance at all

his party was also shot at yesteday it seems (CNN videos) - and 4 killed there as well
 
Yeah, he's allowed the Taliban to control a few areas in Pakistan....

http://edition.cnn.com/
CNN has a video on ....
Pakistan: Terror Central 4:21
CNN's Nic Robertson reports on the Taliban's influence in Pakistan.
• CNN.com - CNN: Special Investigations
Unfortunately I haven't worked out how to post a direct link ..
Classic double-talk / denials from the Pakistan military about how many Taliban in northern Pakistan, and how easily they move around. "Almost all their leadership etc.

Nic Robertson seems to be pretty switched on ... another of his reports :-
Pakistan faces troubled future 5:07
CNN's Nic Robertson reports on who may be behind Benazir Bhutto's killing and what's next for Pakistani elections.


By coincidence there is a similar article (text - but with same title) - this one from when the "deal" was made with Taliban ... three months ago
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={8A06C129-36E7-4CD9-B132-015B5DD74588}
 
Will post some more information later. Yes, 2020, you are winning the discussion, errrr, so far that is.
 
Will post some more information later. Yes, 2020, you are winning the discussion, errrr, so far that is.
noi ,
just trying to keep up with the theories - sheesh - 3 so far .. (the jpeg taken from CNN - I'm not as clever as you in posting direct links you 'll notice lol)

PS Afghanistan is becoming "surrounded" - Pakistan to the south, Iran to the West, etc - all with the potential to head into extremist territory

Why the hell did we ever take our eye off the terrorism ball and go chasing oil in Iraq
 

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speaking of cricket (Imran Khan speaking out about a proper judicial probe into the assassination, the possibility that AQ are not involved after all,

and also Sharif asking Musharraf to step down to "save Pakistan"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/29/2128734.htm?section=justin


interesting comment that last one.
Certainly Musharraf has recently shown himself to be as cunning as a cut snake, swapping the judiciary with corrupt "predictable" judges - and Khan has been very critical of course - including escaping arrest. etc
The inference is that Musharraf is now a lame duck as well.... Any public support he had is gone / vanished apparently.
 
Her final moment videos (there are a few better ones that appear to be held, at the moment, by Youtube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1rH1SmvGyU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi_o8Vr2Kk8
exactly !!!!
the first one shows the gunman with pistol at superclose range to Benazir - arm fully extended, supported, etc. car going super slowly -
Three shots !!
It would be impossible to miss!!! - sheesh

The second youtube is the one the "govt spokesman" uses - skips past the gunman - saying some blast threw her against the sunroof latch. and says with military precision (paraphrased) "trust me, this clears up any ambiguity" - such words reek of "spin" - especially when they skip most of the evidence.

Just like with JFK's autopsy, (ignoring the pristine "magic" bullet hand-placed on his stretcher) , her body would be all the evidence necessary - either there was or there wasn't a bullet wound to the neck.
 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...CMP=KNG-powersearchSEM1&HBX_PK=benazir+bhutto
Babar Awan, Bhutto’s lawyer, said: “The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred.”

Footage Of Benazir Bhutto Shooting Released

The same footage as you just posted noi, but with more information attached (bludy worrying though understandable - revenge etc ) :-

 
Why would her corrupted husband not allow a full post martum ( autopsy ) to clarify the cause of her death? Somethings from Benazir's family don't add up. How can you call for an inquiry if you are not allowing to do a simple wound matching test. Should not take more than 10 minutes...


I am not saying that their is no conspiracy theory, but making one out of nothing is important as well, Regarding the pace of a murder inquiry in pakistan. First prime minister of Pakistan Liaqt , Ironically was shot in exactly the same place around 60 years ago !. His case is still pending ( 6 decades ....). A lot of theories surround that case as well, because the shooter was shot down by the police and hence silenced after being captured.

Please donot make a saint out of her, yes she was courageous women but she was corrupt, she is responisible for the death of her brother ( ask her niece Fatima Bhutto!!). She never ordered any enquiry in her brothers death ( who was killed by police in Karachi...). Her brothers were involved in hijacking planes and trying to plot terrorist plot against Pakistan....

My point is take the views of all side but don't trust anyone, even her party has political motivations. And unfortunately we might never know which version is true

And ultimately death was caused by the explosion directly or indirectly. Hence she was killed. The people who murdered her should be caught and brought to justice, no point in making conspiracy theories. Remember no point in killing more innocent people in the name of revenge. Around 40 people so for have died in riots, were their lives not worthy? This madness should be stopped at all cost.
 
Oh, now I get the Pakistani government line....

(1) The attack was by the (relatively) obscure Pakistani arm of the Taliban.
(2) Bhutto's death was really just an unfortunate accident. She ducked into a hatch handle. How silly of her! If she had ducked more carefully, she would still be alive!

Really.......





AJ
 
.... And ultimately death was caused by the explosion directly or indirectly. Hence she was killed. The people who murdered her should be caught and brought to justice...
? mayk, I disagree - a couple of those 3 bullets killed her (as per the original theory / report of her wounds),

and the assassiin blew himself up.

If you are saying the Taliban and/or AQ should be brought to justice - great! - but I wouldn't hold your breath if I were you - (but who nose? I hope you are right ).

Incidentally, that youtube entitled "Footage Of Benazir Bhutto Shooting Released" has some attached text ....which ends with ..:-


so yep, it's bludy serious.
 
Methinks the government line was more concerned with staying put , even more so the lobbyists , I mean the Taliban etc. , when across the border the Hindus have just rolled in on a landslide victory mimmicking that of Kevs .

Not for one second do I think Musharraf has a care factor over the opprobrium attached to this event .

MayK stated facts ..... period . The lady was drop dead gorgeous , but she carried skeletons and I would very much doubt that any political opponent doesn't , didn't , has or even had .

The remoulding of the region will not be without bloodshed , Musharraf would know his days are numbered now and if I can extrapolate that down here from my little patch of sunshine , I can just imagine the in your face view he has .

When it boils down to it though my care factor on his fate is zero , right whack .
 
gotta feeling that Ron Paul's version isn't how it's gonna pan out ..

ron paul on benazir bhutto assassination; usa foreign policy
 
This is the ignorance of people, AQ killed her, they should unite against fighting terrorism. It is definately not the end of Pakistan, Benazir political party has much to benefit from this tradegy (Sad I know but that is reality...), worst part is newspapers are tipping her corrupt husband to be the successor of the party if that happens then I am sure it will be end of Bhutto's party.

I would personaly like another bhutto to take control of the party. ironically her mother has witnissed the death of her husband , and three childerns (all killed...) I can only imagine her pain and suffering.

I think martial law followed by free and fair elections is a viable option if the situation gets worse in Pakistan. Musharraf has to go to calm people down ( even if he is not responisble for her death).
 
Who wants to make a bet on US forces storming Pakistani sites to steal their nukes?

In terms of US action... this is a rare occassion I would support it. But Dubya was an absolute moron to not insist on Pakistan de-arming before their alliance/ aid package et al in 2001. Clap clap.
 
Why would her corrupted husband not allow a full post martum ( autopsy ) to clarify the cause of her death?

Because he wants to become leader of the party and knows that if everything can be quietened down in the next few weeks, an election can be called in February 2008 and he should win and achieve his wife's wishes.
 
As Imran Khan suggested when he said "easy to blame AQ, but who knows what really ghappened - need a judicial enquiry"

surprise, surprise, maybe the AQ were not involved ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/29/2128806.htm?section=justin

And more people who saw the bullet wounds (multiple , in + out) - wounds were weeping as they were cleaning her body for burial
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/29/2128839.htm?section=justin

 
I will take any advise from someone who is not a professional doctor with a grain of salt, she has to gain some political mileage out of this scenario. They were saying that a bullet hit her chest as well, now she is saying that a bullet only hit her head, they have also changed their position, just like government .

Newspapers are tipping her 19-year-old son to be the next chairperson of the party, but her corrupt husband will remain to be the king maker in the party.

On a side note, it is such a shame that an ardent supporter of democracy will not allow the democratic values to be in corporated in her party. Which is autocratic.
 
mayk, mmm
I don't think it's a change of story - there were three bullets were there not?

Are you saying you think, from that video, that that gunman could have missed? with all of the three shots?

Are you saying that blind freddy couldn't tell multiple bullet wounds. ?

Are you saying you believe the sunroof lever theory in preference to the bullet(s) theory (or give it equal weight)?

Here's another question - no real importance this one (this is "pinch of salt" territory, my own theory ..) ... if the blast of the bomb was significant where her head was (since it went off behind the car - and then the lever killed her, etc - and if the bomb was full of pelletts - then why doesn't she have at least a pellet or two in her body.?

As for who takes over the party now etc , and their level of "corruption" - how do you score Musharraf on corruption? I would agree with Imran Khan when he says he's blatantly corrupt.

PS apparently she left "instructions / her preferences / whatever" in her will as to how she would wish the party to go into the future in the event of ,,, etc etc
 
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