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Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack at rally.

I had the great opportunity 15 years ago to examine Bhutto in a paper I had to submit in a leadership couse.

Strange but I do not feel shock, overwhelming sadness for her loyal followers very much but very quicly that this death will bring about an enormous purge in Pakistan. With the military dictator calling the shots I had wondered at how a fair result would come in the election scheduled next year. I am too shocked and upset for them all to think that constructively but the national feeling that will rise from this in the months ahead and her death will not be in vain but there will be huge turmoil in the months ahead.

The happenings of Pakistan are far removed from the everyday life of Austrlalia but this event will be the catalyst to isolate and rid the world of military dictatorships and restore the equal voice of people.

To know her (even if it was only through books) was to love her. A very sad day.
 
o man, that's terrible.
but thanks for your posts noi and explod.

She had become fairly pragmatic of late - only way to get through to Musharraf. "We (like the military) could have taken power by force.. But MY party does not believe in violence" etc

I notice an emphasis on "undermining reconciliation and democratic development" rather than terrorism- in the first article anyway. And also slogans against Musharraf, police fled scene etc

He (Musharraf) has been so blatantly autocratic of late - sacking the judiciary etc - and people brought up with democracy usually don't like that.

So many political assassinations on the sub-continent, sheesh. And in USA of course, Kennedies, (John, Robert), Martin Luther King.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...CMP=KNG-powersearchSEM1&HBX_PK=benazir+bhutto
 
Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack at rally.


Much as I can understand your distress, it must be pointed out that it was silly of her to return to Pakistan to attempt to seize power through a democratic process.

Her family has been accused of corruptuon, she was a woman in an Islamic country, it is led by a powerful leader with an armed forces background, and Pakistan was at boiling point.

Add to this that on the borders with Afghanistan the rule of Islamabad does not exist and Osama and other nutter Islamists call the shots, literally.

Any death is tragic under such circumstances, this one was inevitable.

gg
 
Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack at rally.


Stupid ? what about passion and belief; and necessity.

The assailant knew he would die for his cause, Bhutto surely would have know the risks, soldiers know the risks, silly, stupid?

Giving your life for what you believe in. I am not religious but Christians honour Christ for giving his life on the cross to save mankind.
 
Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack at rally.



Agree, coming back was a brave move....

But will her life save Pakistan... I hope so... history shows that states with a significant proportion of radical muslims are best goverened by a dictator, not by democracy...

After all, democracy simply installs a populist govt, which in a state like pakistan may well infact be a fundamentalist muslim govt. And that ain't good for anyone
 
Musharraf is the one is in charge , he wields the stick . Pakistanis are always under the stick , I know what I'd like to do with the stick .

With Bhutto now gone , Pakistan will overboil and Musharraf had best leave the country too . His friends will slowly desert him .
 
Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack at rally.


I said it was silly not stupid.

She was an intelligent woman with much to gain from leading Pakistan.

She just made a silly decision by going back now.

Comparisons with Christ I'll leave to more theologically minded , but to my knowledge JC never went to Harvard and didn't have a partner indicted for corruption.

I don't think she went there with the intention of "giving her life". I believe she wanted to be President of Pakistan.

gg
 
Bushman said:
...Pakistan hates India, India has nukes. Oh yes, and to close the sentence, Australia sells uranium to India.

Oh f**k here we go again.
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and I have shares in Zinifex who produce lots of radiation shielding lead
 
roland said:
and I have shares in Zinifex who produce lots of radiation shielding lead
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...so your portfolio will benefit from those mindlessly agitating for a 2000+ year old philosophy, 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'.

When will these blasted Middle Eastern religious philosophies dating back to Ramses, Cleopatra and, off course, Julius Caesar, lose their grip on the world? I mean no-one believes the world is flat anymore.
 
roland said:
and I have shares in Zinifex who produce lots of radiation shielding lead
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ha, sorry I just found that funny! Insensitive...I know.


I really am tired of all these countries & their damn instability, why can't just conform to Western values, abandon their beliefs, & sing koombaya with the rest of us!
 
Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in suicide attack at rally.

mmm interesting - "history shows" - presumably you are referring to Iraq?
I don;t think you can compare Pakistan and Iraq.
And imo you are guaranteeing the rise of fundamentalism when you try to suppress moderate (non-military) politicians.

extremism begets extremism, yes?
But it sure is a bludy mess. And (speaking of history) the military probably have to take a lot of the blame - going back to their love of dodgey-bros-courts and hanging Bhutto's father etc. (imo).
 
Nyden said:
I really am tired of all these countries & their damn instability, why can't just conform to Western values, abandon their beliefs, & sing koombaya with the rest of us!
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Bingo Nyden - lets dress you in robes and send you to Pakistan. Musharaf and Bin Laden singing 'kumbaya'. That surely would reverse the falls in Wall St overnight!
 
It looks as if Musharef is sounding out all the advice he can get and may well go for the favourite option. If it goes wrong, then he can expect support from those who advised him.

Bush wants a foot in Pakistan or a go-ahead to bomb areas of Pakistan.

It's a difficult line for Musharef to tread. It is a matter of turning all this to his advantage.
 
It’s the military in Pakistan that’s the key, they are held in high esteem as the defenders against India etc and they decide who holds power or at least must give tacit approval to who ever governs.

As long as there is unity amongst the senior offices and they are moderates then stability will rein amongst the chaos if that makes sense.

Pakistan generally is quite a tolerant Moslem country (women president?)and there is a relatively large middle / wealthy class from where the ruling / military /educated elite come from.

The big issue is the northern frontier area where the military are taking casualties almost every day but never hear about in the western press.



Focus
 
The US must be fretting on this, although they should be prepared.

I think Mush needs to keep control at the minute by actually using more force, otherwise the entire country will be in flames.

But maybe they need that?
 
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