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Beggars a sign of the times, or a sign of the welfare state?

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SirRumpole said:
So $200 pw = $400 a fornight (probably the lowest rent you can get) say a single person with 2 kids is getting newstart at $600 per fortnight, leaves $200 a fortnight or $100 a week to live on. As a single person my food bill alone is $120+ a week and I don't have to feed kids, and then there is gas, water, electricity, phone .... Could you live on that ?
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Remember the rental assistance, and there should be child support payments, also.

As I went through in detail in another thread with you a while ago it would be possible to survive on $100 a week food budget.

But you can certainly survive a lot better than being on the streets.
 
Value Collector said:
Are you saying it’s better to be homeless than live in a share house?

But either way, there is still non share house options there too.
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For a person on the Dole, I'd say $200 might be a limit. For a single Mother Share Houses aren't appropriate.

P.S. don't knock on the wrong Door. :D
 
Dark Knight 2.0 said:
For a person on the Dole, I'd say $200 might be a limit. For a single Mother Share Houses are appropriate.

P.S. don't knock on the wrong Door. :D
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As I said I know of a single mother renting a 6 bedroom house with water views, she gets a lot more than the stock standard newstart allowance, as I said there is all sorts of other payments that they apply for at one point she got a payment to help buy furniture etc.
 
Value Collector said:
As I said I know of a single mother renting a 6 bedroom house with water views, she gets a lot more than the stock standard newstart allowance, as I said there is all sorts of other payments that they apply for at one point she got a payment to help buy furniture etc.
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Maybe she should write a book "How to rip off the welfare system".

Would be a best seller and she'd never need welfare again.

:D
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe she should write a book "How to rip off the welfare system".

Would be a best seller and she'd never need welfare again.

:D
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She doesn’t “rip off” the system illegally she just applies for everything that they offer.

Which is a pretty common thing, as I said for my personal experience of what I have seen her and others claiming and living off, it certainly doesn’t see hard to live provided you have the mental capacity to fill out forms and apply for payments, and don’t have any addictions or vices dragging you down.

Sure they aren’t living the high life, but you don’t have to be homeless LONGTERM in Australia, of course if **** hits the fan in your life you might have to sleep in your car for a few days, but that’s not what I am talking about.
 
Value Collector said:
She doesn’t “rip off” the system illegally she just applies for everything that they offer.

Which is a pretty common thing, as I said for my personal experience of what I have seen her and others claiming and living off, it certainly doesn’t see hard to live provided you have the mental capacity to fill out forms and apply for payments, and don’t have any addictions or vices dragging you down.

Sure they aren’t living the high life, but you don’t have to be homeless LONGTERM in Australia, of course if **** hits the fan in your life you might have to sleep in your car for a few days, but that’s not what I am talking about.
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Ok so it seems that mental instability is an increasing problem , whether it's bought on by financial stress or is a cause of it.

What safety nets should we provide for people who don't have the capacity to "fill out the right forms" and look after themselves ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Ok so it seems that mental instability is an increasing problem , whether it's bought on by financial stress or is a cause of it.

What safety nets should we provide for people who don't have the capacity to "fill out the right forms" and look after themselves ?
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I don’t know mate, I am no expert in it, but I would support broad based assistance to help people with mental health issues of all sorts.

It’s such a big issue, involving so many different conditions it’s easy for people to fall through the cracks.

I have no easy solutions, except to say that it’s somthing that we need to be working on.
 
Dark Knight 2.0 said:
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I think you are losing it mate, as I said before just click ignore if seeing my posts upsets you.

I barely even understand what an IP Address is, let alone care about what your up address is, you are barking up the wrong tree dude.
 
Why do we always have to use the most expensive place in Australia, when we talk about anything, there are jobs in the Country where there is also cheap rentals, but no we have to say everyone has to be able to live in Sydney.
Weird reality, why not just say unemployment benefits should be enough to live comfortably in Sydney, let's just make it $1000 per week, and keep importing Labor for jobs in the bush.
I've got a son who has a licensed trade, he prefers to live with his mates on Newstart, than leave the City for a job. He finds the lifestyle is ok, you can't take overseas holidays, but they have a great time in a share house.
I have a lot of trouble accepting the situation and we always end up in an argument, but I'm obviously out of step with mainstream. I should just accept his lifestyle choices. By the replies on this thread, he is obviously doing the right thing.
 
sptrawler said:
but no we have to say everyone has to be able to live in Sydney.
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It's quite bizarre really.

Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth would all be considered as major cities in terms of their size if they were somewhere in Europe but here in Australia we have this obsession that it's Sydney, Melbourne or nothing.

Then there's smaller but still substantial places eg Launceston, Mt Gambier, Warrnambool and so on none of which are actually "middle of nowhere". They all have houses, streets, shops and so on certainly. :2twocents
 
I thought this is probably the best place to place this.
The W.A Government put a group of homeless people up in a Perth hotel, to give them refuge during the virus outbreak, it has been abandoned. Most walked out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...-program-hotels-with-heart-abandoned/12215276
From the article:
"Their reasons for leaving included struggling with the quarantine period, being confined to the hotel, not being able to smoke when they wanted to, alcohol and drug use and family pressures.

"You can't put 20 of the most vulnerable chronic rough sleepers into a hotel and expect there to be no setbacks.

"We won't be continuing the program at this stage.
 
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