The poorer people become the more they turn to religion to give them hope. There are many poor people in the US. When religion and soveriegnty become aligned it is a dangerous situation
And the evangelist movement has them. Millions of them. It gives their lives meaning and purpose to feel they belong and are loved. (Dawkins' God Delusion)
Bush got in last time when his machine convinced the bible basher belt to come out to vote for the first time to stop a Democrat winning and thus not allowing abortion on demand, gay marriages, stem cell research...
From: Barack Obama [mailto:info@barackobama.com]
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2008 3:01 PM
To: 2020hindsight
Subject: Turn on your television
2020 --
We just won Iowa, and I'm about to head down to talk to everyone.
Democrats turned out in record numbers tonight, and independents and even some Republicans joined our party to stand together for change.
Thank you for everything you've done to make this possible.
Make sure you say g'day to my friend Doris. And ask her to send some more of those pumpkin scones please.
Barack
God Help Us if your serious...
Only two Presidents who've won Iowa have gone on to be POTUS.
New Hampshire is where it really counts.
BTW, Ron Paul Raised 20 Million in the last quarter including two Money Bombs organised by the Grassroots, $4.2 Million on Guy Faulks days and $6 Million on the Boston Tea Party Day.
The Ron Paul Supporters got the $400,000/Month Blimp off the ground and they have just launched the Ron Paul Airforce...
Obama and Ron Paul won the recent MySpace Poll ==> http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23005353-1702,00.html
thanks for the commentary, doris (appreciated).
Hey ! - think you're Robinson Crusoe!
"You can't say you love your country and hate your government."
- William Jefferson Clinton (1995)
"I did NOT have sex with that woman" ....
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty"
"Be polite to all, but intimate with few.”
"Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.”
We did not raise armies for glory or for conquest.
The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.
Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.
I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
“It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.”
"In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.”
"The way to silence religious disputes is to take no notice of them”
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear"
"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.”
Biographer Merrill Peterson summarizes Jefferson's theology:
“ First, that the Christianity of the churches was unreasonable, therefore unbelievable, but that stripped of priestly mystery, ritual, and dogma, reinterpreted in the light of historical evidence and human experience, and substituting the Newtonian cosmology for the discredited Biblical one, Christianity could be conformed to reason. Second, morality required no divine sanction or inspiration, no appeal beyond reason and nature, perhaps not even the hope of heaven or the fear of hell; and so the whole edifice of Christian revelation came tumbling to the ground.[42] ”
The Declaration of Independence incorporates concepts from Deism.Jefferson used deist terminology in repeatedly stating his belief in a creator, and in the United States Declaration of Independence used the terms "Creator" and "Nature's God." Jefferson believed, furthermore, it was this Creator that endowed humanity with a number of inalienable rights, such as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." His experience in France just before the French Revolution made him deeply suspicious of Catholic priests and bishops as a force for reaction and ignorance. Similarly, his experience in America with inter-denominational intolerance served to reinforce this skeptical view of religion. In a letter to Willam Short, Jefferson wrote: "the serious enemies are the priests of the different religious sects, to whose spells on the human mind its improvement is ominous."[43]
He (Jefferson) made his own condensed version of the Gospels, omitting Jesus' virgin birth, miracles, divinity, and resurrection, primarily leaving only Jesus' moral philosophy, of which he approved. This compilation was published after his death and became known as the Jefferson Bible.
“ [The Jefferson Bible] is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw.[46]
His letters contain the following observations: "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government,"[51] and, "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."[52] "May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all), the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government."[53
Jefferson :- Leave all the afternoon for exercise and recreation, which are as necessary as reading. …
No man will ever carry out of the Presidency the reputation which carried him into it. - Thomas Jefferson
Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us. - Jefferson
Actually it is the Tuesday following the first Monday of November, normally the first week of November; as a bit of trivia the first sitting of the US Supreme Court is traditionally the first Monday of October.
Why in Australia are you concerned about US elections? Our politics does not dictate your future as you have your own Prime Minister and are more closely linked to Britain. ...
Why in Australia are you concerned about US elections?
Doris, do you live in Australia? America? Canada? You seem to have a very personal stake in this candidate. If it's not an intrusive question, could you tell us why?
2. Good question...
3. Probably many answers but it sure gets all the lefties excited .........
4. One only has to look at this thread to see how keen the left in Australia is to see a democrat win.
5. as my leftie mate Bob Menzies used to say ..
Iowa Presidential Debate Organizers Snub Ron Paul
Few examples of the behind-the-scenes power exerting its authority over the people are more impactful than the deliberate stranglehold on the free speech of candidates running for office. Today, Ron Paul finds himself in the chokehold of a couple of Iowa organizations that have refused to allow his message to be heard on the same stage as other Republican candidates. Ironically, one of the groups claims to be Christian.
This sort of religious quackery is just as dangerous as the Islamist fanatics
Julia so glad you made that point, which unfortunately is a point that often goes over peoples' head.
That young people are more likely to go there
That the big challenge in USA is to get people off their backsides and be bothered to vote (as against those "paid to vote" on a raft of selfish promises)
Now
Throw into that formula that Ron Paul is very popular on
a) youtube
b) facebook
c) myspace.
(more or less what you'd expect since this is the Harvard magazine lol )Life Imitates Virtual Reality
Facebook feature was the writing on the wall for Republicans this fall
Published On Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:46 AM
By ALEXANDRA HIATT
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Move over Gallup Poll—Facebook.com is the new election oracle, accurately predicting the results of nine out of 12 races .. etc (old news the rest)
Elections 2.0: ABC News and Facebook Sponsor Debates
By Frederick Lane
November 27, 2007 4:53PM
Facebook's US Politics page offers a running summary of voter preference in a section of the page titled "Facebook Election Pulse." Among those who expressed a preference on Facebook for a Democratic candidate, Barack Obama has a huge lead, nearly 60 percent, with Hillary Clinton second in the Facebook polls at just under 20 percent. ...
Ron Paul moves out in front of Fred Thompson with the most number of straw poll wins.
12/11/07
Ron Paul is the candidate that is dominating straw poll after straw poll at the moment. But because Paul supporters are very reliable in posting Paul's straw poll victories we tend to be able to update Ron Paul victories faster than those of other candidates. i.e. Fred Thompson may have won straw polls that we are still unaware of at the moment.
Candidate # Wins
Ron Paul 25
Fred Thompson 24
Mitt Romney 22
Rudy Giuliani 7
John McCain 5
Mike Huckabee 2
Duncan Hunter 2
Alan Keyes 0
etc - (until they define this better, it means little - except that Ron Paul is doing ok you'd think?)
photo montage of 9/11 protesters, Iraq war, Soldiers, Family, set to music by Johnny Cash- Hurt
support our troops , Ron Paul 08!!, preserve the constitution
Am I right in thinking he supports the Iraq war?I still think that McCain will make a come back. I hope so, at least as he is the most middle ground candidate out of the republican field.
Doris et al
Here's a theory ok?
That youtube is a major political infliuence these days - agreed ?
That young people are more likely to go there
That the big challenge in USA is to get people off their backsides and be bothered to vote (as against those "paid to vote" on a raft of selfish promises)
Now
Throw into that formula that Ron Paul is very popular on
a) youtube
b) facebook
c) myspace.
(I'm guessing that applies for both democrats and republicans) (?)
Hard to see him being ignored that's for sure.
(PS refer back to barchart two posts back)
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