Barack Obama!

wayneL said:

So if it's OK to label whites with stereotypes, then it's Ok to label blacks with stereotypes according to your rules.

...and if you have a joke about whites and white collar crime, tell it. We will laugh if it's funny.

Checkmate.

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2020hindsight said:

d) I post on the correct thread that you are wrong
e) you delete that as well

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Boggo said:

Just wondering if this joke is ok with you Doris...

.. John Hinckley was a seriously deranged young man who shot President Reagan many years back.

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2020hindsight said:

Boggo,
here's my thoughts on that one .... I'm guessing it originated "somewhere" that has a motive

btw, I had a post deleted for adding "etcetera, so many interns , so little time" to Bill Clinton's quote "yuo can kiss my ass" - so hopefully I'm not in for a lecture about "prudish left wing greenies not being able to take a non PC joke etc"
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=310311&highlight=motive#post310311

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2020hindsight said:

gg, I recall you saying military service helps to make good politicians (seriously paraphrased) - or words to that effect...

what was that one about "how many gears does an Italian tank have?"

PS As you said somewhere, Rome under the Caesars did ok for a while - that was until they started eating grapes to excess - fed to them by half nude concubines etc ...

see that's what happens when pollies stay in power too long - one thing leads to another - and grapes just lubricate the downhill slope.

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Having campaigned for the past year as the agent of transformation, the man who would lead an historic shift in America's political direction, Barack Obama is discovering that there is quite a lot he likes about the way things are.

Since securing the Democratic nomination a few weeks ago, the only change coming from the Illinois senator has been in what he seems to stand for.

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If next week he named Dick Cheney as his running-mate and revealed that he spends his spare time drilling for oil in wildlife habitats, the only surprise would be that it took him so long.

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Of course there's nothing much new in what the senator has done. In the lexicon of modern American politics, it's called a pivot. You campaign hard to the party's extreme in the primary election, where the base voters tend to be. Then, when the nomination is secure and there are no more idealists to be humoured, you pivot back to the centre. The only difference is that in Mr Obama's case the pivot is so hard and so fast that the entire Democratic Party is suffering from whiplash.

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Conservatives, meanwhile, led by John McCain's Republican campaign, say that the presumptive Democratic nominee's pivot shows that, for all his talk of offering a new kind of politics, he is really just another cynical politician who will say anything to get elected.

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Garpal Gumnut said:

....people might think this Obama jerk has a chance.

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2020hindsight said:

At least he'll be free to be his own man

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wayneL said:

But who is the the man? That is the question.

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2020hindsight said:

Well my money's on the one who is able to speak without looking up to see what his puppetteer wants him to say

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wayneL said:

Is this the same one who is flip-flopping on policy? The same one beholden to Zionism?

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2020hindsight said:

well wayne
based on past posts - i think both you and I would vte for him ,

and I guess time will tell if he is as good as the hype.

mind you if he's half as good as the hype - he'll still be three times better than Bush

(and twice as good as McCain)

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2020hindsight said:

Well my money's on the one who is able to speak without looking up to see what his puppeteer wants him to say

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at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

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President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).

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Obama said what he learns from military commanders on his upcoming trip (to Iraq) will refine his policy, but "not the 16-month timetable" for withdrawing U.S. troops from combat in Iraq. He said what he learns could affect how many residual troops might be needed to train the Iraqi army and police.

"I have said throughout this campaign that this war was ill-conceived, that it was a strategic blunder and that it needs to come to an end," he said. "I have also said I would be deliberate and careful about how we get out. That position has not changed. I am not searching for maneuvering room with respect to that position."

He promised to summon the Joint Chiefs of Staff on his first day in office "and I will give them a new mission and that is to end this war, responsibly and deliberately, but decisively."

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Doris said:

Being flexible and adapting to issue enlightenment is the mark of a good leader.
The ignorant call it flip flopping. An Aussie might say 'thonging'.
(Americans call 'thongs' flip flops. A 'thong' is like a g-string)

BTW 2020,
Has any president ever NOT been financed by lobbyists and PACs before?

Abe was financed by lobbyists but he did rise above their pressures in using the authority they bought for him.
In his speech, as he boarded the train for Washington, he told the send-off crowd: "I must now go and do what they have paid me to do".

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It is worth remembering, before the depression sets in too deep, that flip-flopping has a noble history in this country.

In his first run for the presidency, Abraham Lincoln vowed not to force the end of slavery in the South. But by his second Inaugural, he could swear that, God willing, "every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid with another drawn by the sword."

Where was the greatness when Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? In the fact that a white politician, who'd come of age in Jim Crow Texas and had been a sometime segregationist in the Senate, knew he was sacrificing his party's domination of the South””and did the right thing all the same.

What made Bobby Kennedy's antiwar campaign of 1968 so remarkable? In part, the fact that he had been the fiercest of cold warriors, a lieutenant to Joseph McCarthy himself.

Schoolchildren know what grace means in America: I once was lost but now am found,'twas blind but now I see.

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Yet it is dangerous to ask for a president who never changes his mind.
A flip-flop or two from George W. Bush might have gone a long way.

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